Hi Guys,
The Missus has a manual 09 Forrester XS that seems to have a problem in that it over revs to about 2400 rpm on idle (when the clutch is in). Does it when the engine is cold or hot and with the air-con on or off - and it happens nearly every time you put the clutch in (say you are cruising through a car park looking for a bay). Car has done 44,000km and has not been abused.
It has been back to Subaru twice, but the Mrs has been told that this is normal and is supposedly meant to aid the fuel economy??!! They tweaked down the idle revs, but the problem remains...
Any ideas on what this may be??
Thanks
Maybe take it to a subaru specialist (not Subaru). There are a couple of good places around perth.
Or go to www.ozfoz.com and search that site. Will be heaps of info.
Before you do, check for air leaks on the throttle body and all the hoses leading off it. That would be one of the most likely causes
Idle speed control motor usually. Im not a subaru expert but thats the usual culprit on injected cars.
Doesn't a vacuum leak normally cause stalling? Or does that depend on whether it uses an airflow meter or MAP sensor?
Those Subaru guys sound clueless! You shouldn't really ever need to touch the idle adjustment unless things have been pulled apart and put back together.
Find out how to check error codes (usually by bridging two of the pins in the diagnostics connector then counting the flashes of the check engine light). Could be lots of things like throttle position sensor, coolant temp sensor. The guys at Subaru should have hooked up their diagnostics dealy to check that stuff but who knows.
Dunno what the problem is but the response from the Subaru guys is bull. I have a 2000 Outback with over 250k on it and it purrs.
The car is still under warranty. Go and get emphatic with them and demand that they fix it. Make sure you can reproduce the problem before you go so you can show it happening, and prove that it is fixed after.
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Thanks Guys - sounds like it is time for ME to take it in and speak with the Service Manager rather than having the Mrs being B.S'd too...
Thanks for taking the time to respond - it's at least given me some questions to ask them...
we have a suby , and the service crew at our closest dealer are absolute crap!
never again will we own one of these sh!t boxes.
after having a service it lost the flywheel off the crankshaft at 60 mile an hour and bent the crankshaft !
thousands of dollars later fixed.
omfg
I could go on and on, and probally will later after a few red cordials!
only my opinion, but is from experience .
over rated over priced lemons.
my mate has one and has done 450,00 on clock on same motor.
i have a ford and its an absolute piece of ****. clutch was changed after 120k and it failed then it was changed and now its failed again. I was told that the clutch that FORD dealer put in was an aftermarket one and not an original ford one.
Rather own a subie than a ford.
thats funny
, I was thinking of buying a ford, oh well maybe a holden ?
it probally depends on the staff at the service centers, your mate has lucked it in for good servicing maybe.
holdens are a peice of snot aswell!
best of get a cheap hyundai with 5 year waranty then trade it in and get another 5 year waranty.
I used to have a Tuned BY sti limited eddition wrx, best car i ever had.
sad once i sold it :(
anyway, i'd suggest jumping on the www.wrx.com.au forum they are not a bad bunch of people and might point you in the right direction
I have said this on the SUP Forum as well but honestly buy a Toyota.
They sell twice as many cars as anyone else so if there were issues there'd be twice as many whingers.
But there's not, just more and more people buying Toyotas. #1 in Australia and the world by no accident at all.
Honestly, have you or someone close to you owned one and never had a problem and kind of regret selling it?
Hey GPA
It might need a Throttle clean this will idle the car smoother and may calm the idle down to normal revs.
This clean is cheap and done without removing major parts so it can be done buy Subaru in a few minutes I think.
Ask the question to the service manager
hope you get to the bottom of it
Kind Regards
Walt
Sands, firstly I never go to dealers unless I have to - you spend longer fixing all their mistakes you find months later - like sump plugs done up with a rattle gun and not replacing a 10cent consumable washer leading to total clutch system failure being two of my recent examples [}:)]
Flywheels don't fall off -
- so I hope they paid for all of it!!
If was in a capital city and still had a Subaru I'd go to one of the workshops that does lots of performance work on WRX or one of the rally team's businesses as they know the stuff inside out and back to front..... and won't feed you BS like dealership service depts will
Possibly coolant temp sensor on the way out. Also check in the throttle body and see if you have a carbon build up. If there is visible carbon then its a good chance your idle speed control motor isn't sealing properly. Simple fix to drop out the ISC and clean out with throttle body cleaner. Otherwise take it to a competent auto electrician instead of the dealer. Thats where they usually end up anyway.
Well guys, we can all hypothesis for hours on end about what is wrong with a vehicle we can't see. The fault could be any of the items that have all been previously mentioned, vacuum line disconnected (a trained ear on a late model car will pick that up pretty quick) idle speed control motor carboned or faulty, blocked throttle body, coolant temp sensor faulty (signalling to ecu cold engine temp and stepping up idle speed to warm up). Other things such as map sensor disconnected (can't remember if this system runs it or an air flow meter) which will put the ecu in to a over fuel situation or even the ecu may be at fault itself.
IMHO the only way to resolve this issue is to talk to a few people in the trade, the dealer or an auto electrician. Once you have spoken to a few reputable people you will eventually feel comfortable with one of them. Take your car to them and trust your instincts because at the end of the day no matter what, you are going to have to take this vehicle somewhere.
The general problem is that everybody has a story about how they were mistreated or taken advantage of over car repairs and/or have been burnt in the past. This combined with car repairs being a grudge purchase (lets face it who wants to spend money to fix a car) creates a tension between the customer and the repair centre generally as the customer walks in the door. The story about the Subaru flywheel is a classic example, one poor experience (albiet extreme and obviously massively costly and inconvenient) does not mean all Subarus are "overrated over priced lemons". I have four Subaru vehicles in my family (one Audi, one Toyota, one VT Commodore, two Nissan's and a couple of motorbikes aswell) and also carry out repairs for a Subaru dealer and I find they are extremely reliable and well built vehicles. Toyota, Nissan, Mazda and Volkswagen I also rate very highly.
As mentioned before find a reputable repairer you trust, RAC and/or MTA approved repairers with valid Motor Vehicle Repair Business licences are the things to look for, take your vehicle to them and openly discuss your issues with them. Be open minded and remember these people have invested major amounts of money in training, government licences, equipment, premises and diagnostic equipment just to mention a few and they will need to charge you the appropriate fees so that they can be there for you the next time your vehicle breaks down aswell.
Let us know the hopefully happy outcome.