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Are you sure you want a Carbon Tax??

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Created by cisco > 9 months ago, 12 Feb 2012
cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
13 Feb 2012 1:33AM
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Gunna1
154 posts
13 Feb 2012 9:51AM
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Listening to Aunty ABC on the way to work and they had an item on the Carbon Tax Credits. the concern is that farmers will lease their land (for a minimum of 100 years) to big companies needing to gain credits by planting trees which sounds good on paper, however if the farmers aren't planting grain or raising livestock for food the primary products are reduced are we pay a lot more for what is produced.

TrevNewman
VIC, 237 posts
13 Feb 2012 1:33PM
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They finally figured out a way to tax the air we breathe, what's left to tax, sunlight maybe?

Little Jon
NSW, 2115 posts
13 Feb 2012 2:11PM
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Sounds great, the more tax the big bludgers pay, the less tax I pay.

Skid
QLD, 1499 posts
13 Feb 2012 1:14PM
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TrevNewman said...

They finally figured out a way to tax the air we breathe, what's left to tax, sunlight maybe?


Shhhhhhhhhhh!!! "they" are onto this forum

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
13 Feb 2012 2:30PM
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Little Jon said...

Sounds great, the more tax the big bludgers pay, the less tax I pay.


It's a 'clean up the mess' tax for the top 500 polluters.

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
13 Feb 2012 2:52PM
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evlPanda said...

Little Jon said...

Sounds great, the more tax the big bludgers pay, the less tax I pay.


It's a 'clean up the mess' tax for the top 500 polluters.




,... who will just put the price up on whatever they are making and sell it to you at the new higher price.
Those that can't, because they are up against cheaper imports which don't have a carbon tax, will just go broke and shut up shop, after giving all their workers the good news that their job no longer exists.
The same products then made overseas will probably generate more pollution because they don't have the same environmental controls that we have here.

I'm finding it hard to see the plus side in all this.

If all this was being done by a government with a history of always getting things right I would be less apprehensive. But from this mob who can't even arrange pink bats in a ceiling or can't propose any better solution to animal abuse than to shut the whole industry down without notice, I would have to say that I'm not filled with confidence that this will be anything other than another giant shooting of ones own foot.
And in this case it's your foot and my foot because those wasters will make sure that they will be adequately compensated for whatever it costs.

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
13 Feb 2012 7:07PM
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evlPanda said...

It's a get the consumer to 'clean up the mess' tax for the top 500 polluters.


fixed that for you

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
13 Feb 2012 7:15PM
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evlPanda said...
It's a 'clean up the mess' tax for the top 500 polluters.

Surely you don't still swallow that crock?

CO2 is NOT pollution!! It's The gas of life. If you really love this Earth then you should be producing CO2. Without CO2 ALL life on Earth will cease.

None of us is against making polluters clean up their mess, but this "CO2 is pollution" crock is the greatest hoax ever foisted upon human kind.

It's a way of making our taxes transnational.

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
14 Feb 2012 1:03AM
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dinsdale said...

evlPanda said...
It's a 'clean up the mess' tax for the top 500 polluters.

Surely you don't still swallow that crock?

CO2 is NOT pollution!! It's The gas of life. If you really love this Earth then you should be producing CO2. Without CO2 ALL life on Earth will cease.

None of us is against making polluters clean up their mess, but this "CO2 is pollution" crock is the greatest hoax ever foisted upon human kind.

It's a way of making our taxes transnational.




groan...... www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?f=percentage. There we go ...just pick out the crappy argument you want to run and then click on the link to get a scientific answer. I think the "CO2 is not pollution" is number 50 something just after "Al gore got it wrong", and "warming ended in 1998".

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
14 Feb 2012 12:43AM
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It is not the increase in the price of everything by application of a broad based tax that is the issue here. They could do that just by raising the GST rate.

The issue is how the tax will be applied. It will be applied in such a way that it will override decisions of elected governments and trample national sovereignty into the dust.

As Dinsdale said transnational.

Little Jon
NSW, 2115 posts
14 Feb 2012 9:37AM
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cisco said...

It is not the increase in the price of everything by application of a broad based tax that is the issue here. They could do that just by raising the GST rate.


This is exactly what the debate is about, who pays tax, the rich have to pay carbon tax and the poor pay GST. The rich don't want to pay their share, that's why they want a higher GST.



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