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Created by Richiefish > 9 months ago, 23 Jan 2009
Richiefish
QLD, 5612 posts
23 Jan 2009 6:14PM
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alternator not charging battery.. charge lht does not come on when ign on before motor starts.(and stays off when motor running) does this mean the alternator is stuft or just not getting excited ?

Gestalt
QLD, 14997 posts
23 Jan 2009 6:23PM
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if you have a voltmeter test the battery while the engines running. should be putting out 13-14 volts. if not alternator stuffed.

turn on lights when engine running, rev engine, if lights brighten when revs up then battery is stuffed.

also, is the charge light on but very dim as opposed to not lit.????? that's a sign of alternator stuffed.

could be the brush assmebly

either way. if the alternator is stuffed most likely the battery will be soon also.

no i am not an autoelec. am son of one. could have also embarrassed said father with my above diagnostics.

Richiefish
QLD, 5612 posts
23 Jan 2009 6:28PM
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definately no charge to batt. no charge light at all, ever.( not dim). If the alternator is faulty wouldnt the charge light still come on and stay on ???

Gestalt
QLD, 14997 posts
23 Jan 2009 6:32PM
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Richiefish said...

definately no charge to batt. no charge light at all, ever.( not dim). If the alternator is faulty wouldnt the charge light still come on and stay on ???


how do you know the alternator is not charging battery.?

could be a problem with the dash light. maybe.....

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
23 Jan 2009 5:46PM
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The charge light gets power from the battery, and is usually grounded by the alternator to make it come on. If the small connector to the alternator has fallen off then on some cars you get this effect (no charge, and no alternator light).

The alternator light really only tells you if the belt comes off and it's not spinning. There are a couple of scenarios where the light won't come on and the alternator isn't charging.


To diagnose you'll definitely need a multimeter, check the battery volts to start with. If it's below 13V when running then check the fat battery connection on the alternator.

If that's 14V then you've got a bad connection on that big fat charge wire.

If it's below 13V as well then you need to check the other two wires that go through a connector into the alternator (battery sense, and charge light, assuming you have an on-board regulator, if the regulator is off-board then you'll have different wires going through the connector).

Plenty of diagnostics on the web, have a bit of a dig and you'll sort it out.

Gestalt
QLD, 14997 posts
23 Jan 2009 10:22PM
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i remember a dark and stormy night when nebbian rescued me from roadside electrical troubles.

Richiefish
QLD, 5612 posts
23 Jan 2009 10:27PM
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First thing I did was test it with a multimeter. 12.2 volts with motor running. 12.6 with motor off !!! what I'm up in the air about is this exciter circuit(ign light) thingo.
Why doesnt it (the light)come on when key turned to ign (all other warning lights on). motor is not running at this point so does alternator output make any difference.????

FormulaNova
WA, 15111 posts
23 Jan 2009 10:03PM
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Richiefish said...

First thing I did was test it with a multimeter. 12.2 volts with motor running. 12.6 with motor off !!! what I'm up in the air about is this exciter circuit(ign light) thingo.
Why doesnt it (the light)come on when key turned to ign (all other warning lights on). motor is not running at this point so does alternator output make any difference.????


I think as Nebbian said, the charge light is connected at one end to the battery positive and the other is connected (sort of) to the output of the alternator. When the alternator is not providing any voltage there is enough resistance through the alternators output connection to light up the charge light. Once the alternator is producing sufficient voltage, there is no longer any potential between the alternators output and the battery and thus the light goes out.

If this wire was broken you would end up with the light never working, which may be the situation for you. Of course the charge light bulb could also be blown... I think my dim dark memory was suggesting some older cars needed this light to work in order to produce any current. Maybe not such a good memory to trust though.

What ever you do, don't get onto the aus.cars forum and ask this question :)

The voltages you are seeing while the engine is running versus off suggest that there is no charge, so you may as well start with the charge light problem. Check that it lights up when the other end is earthed (the 'extra' connection at the alternator) and go from there.

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
23 Jan 2009 10:14PM
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Richiefish said...

First thing I did was test it with a multimeter. 12.2 volts with motor running. 12.6 with motor off !!!


Yes, no charge going to battery, it will have the 12.6 while stopped, and 12.2 while its running, it needs a tad to keep the lectricity bits functioning while engine is running. The battery is a wet cell version, so it can get back to the 12.6 when its off, but this will diminish as its charge runs down, as will the engine on voltage.
FormulaNova and Nebbian are on the mark with what to do.
Hope you get it sorted without too much cost.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
23 Jan 2009 11:02PM
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Gestalt said...

i remember a dark and stormy night when nebbian rescued me from roadside electrical troubles.


That was a very dark and stormy night Gestalt, guess which fluoro light I'm now in the process of fixing? Great weekend though.


Richie, here's some info of what you're up against:
alternatorparts.com/understanding-alternators.html

From what I can gather if your warning lamp is blown, then you won't get any battery charging happening. It's easier to check things at the alternator though, rather than trying to get a tiny little globe out of the dash...

Richiefish
QLD, 5612 posts
24 Jan 2009 7:28AM
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thanks for the advice guys

Gestalt
QLD, 14997 posts
24 Jan 2009 8:11PM
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nebbian said...

Gestalt said...

i remember a dark and stormy night when nebbian rescued me from roadside electrical troubles.


That was a very dark and stormy night Gestalt, guess which fluoro light I'm now in the process of fixing? Great weekend though.



youy certainly had a sweet setup.

firiebob
WA, 3183 posts
27 Jan 2009 9:48PM
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Prob a bit late now and type of hot rod would help, but I'd take a guess it's the brushes in the alt. Just pull it off and have a gander, if brushes are too short with burn/arc marks on the slip rings (the bits the brushes run on) then that's it, change the bearings at the same time



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