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Big Melbourne Ferris Wheel

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Created by Simondo > 9 months ago, 5 Dec 2011
Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
5 Dec 2011 12:46PM
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I was on the train going past the "Melbourne Ferris Wheel" re-construction site the other day. I said to myself, "it would not surprise me if there is a major safety issue on this site before it is finished". Complex steel erection is not easy.

Here's an article on a recent safety issue.
www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/wheels-safety-in-doubt-union-20111204-1odk0.html

It's called The Southern Star Observation Wheel.
www.thesouthernstar.com.au/

Wiki lists construction costs as $100M. Unknown when it will be completed / reopened. Major capital cost outlay commenced in 2008.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Southern_Star(observation_wheel)

It had operated for "up to 1 month" before it was shut down with structural cracks in the steel.

Who's the ultimate owner? Is anyone getting sued yet? I would imagine this re-build is happening under insurance? Is a very unfortunate outcome so far. Millions spent, pretty much no income.

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
5 Dec 2011 2:06PM
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Simondo said...

I was on the train going past the "Melbourne Ferris Wheel" re-construction site the other day. I said to myself, "it would not surprise me if there is a major safety issue on this site before it is finished". Complex steel erection is not easy.

Here's an article on a recent safety issue.
www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/wheels-safety-in-doubt-union-20111204-1odk0.html

It's called The Southern Star Observation Wheel.
www.thesouthernstar.com.au/

Wiki lists construction costs as $100M. Unknown when it will be completed / reopened. Major capital cost outlay commenced in 2008.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Southern_Star_(observation_wheel)

It had operated for "up to 1 month" before it was shut down with structural cracks in the steel.

Who's the ultimate owner? Is anyone getting sued yet? I would imagine this re-build is happening under insurance? Is a very unfortunate outcome so far. Millions spent, pretty much no income.


Who the **** is going to ride on the thing once it's finished. Unfortunately we all need to realize that we are Australians and as such we need to realize we are a total crap at building anything that requires it to be standing up in 2 weeks.

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
5 Dec 2011 2:48PM
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I agree, who's going to ride on it?

I think the best possible outcome at this stage is;
- a little bit of bankruptcy
- new owner buys it for a song
- with existing contracts and wages paid of course

PS - Australian's are OK at building things. We just can't afford to build big stone buildings and mass brick buildings anymore.

A big steel wheel like that will always be pushing the limitations of structural steel.

BulldogPup
6657 posts
5 Dec 2011 12:12PM
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So was it designed or aimed at being a sort of UK-type Millenium Wheel thing - basically aimed at the tourist market?
and was the government or Vic Tourism dept involved?
(can't get the links to open for some reason????)

Just on the Construction thingo - bloody shame that we can't compete and do ourselves proud that way for sure!

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
5 Dec 2011 12:22PM
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Was one here in Perth and I used to drive in front of it often. The bloody thing was always empty! Mind you, you could have driven to Kings Park and enjoy a far better view for free!

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
5 Dec 2011 12:30PM
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Simondo said...

I agree, who's going to ride on it?




Poms and boat people

BulldogPup
6657 posts
5 Dec 2011 12:31PM
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hahahaha - aint touchin' that

jev7337
QLD, 460 posts
5 Dec 2011 3:35PM
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log man said....
Unfortunately we all need to realize that we are Australians and as such we need to realize we are a total crap at building anything that requires it to be standing up in 2 weeks.


True. But it doesn't look like you're from oz based on your spelling.

doggie said...

Simondo said...

I agree, who's going to ride on it?




Poms and boat people


Poms Yes.
Boat p...le No.

So there goes half the revenue.

Cambodge
VIC, 851 posts
5 Dec 2011 5:15PM
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Can't be bothered looking into it...but how come lots of other cities have successfully built much bigger ferris wheels? e.g. London, Singapore, etc, etc.

Is it the big RANGE of temperatures that's the problem in Melbourne?...from single-digit degree winter days up to 44+ degree days? If so, that's hardly a surprise for the designer??!

choco
SA, 4187 posts
5 Dec 2011 5:43PM
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they should just build a big ladder

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
5 Dec 2011 8:36PM
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We in Victoria are pretty good at big concrete buildings and other types of construction , compared to anyone .

The wheel will eventually be finished and all the tourists will love it . Some pour bugger who did the original computations is very likely still trying to forget about it though.

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
5 Dec 2011 9:26PM
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Melb Temperatures - you would need to engineer against a range from -5 to about 50.

Engineers involved.... I'll speak to a few in the coming weeks to get to the inside gossip. Every major structural engineering was involved. As a minimum there was;
- Design
- Verification / Certification
- Construction Sequencing / Temporary Construction

Thinking out loud, most structural engineers would be frothing at the chance to work on something like this. Perhaps the Professional Fees were reflective of this. And I know "managers"... When 3/4 of the fee is spent but only 1/3 of the service is delivered... Push comes to Shove... People get dragged off the project. Service is delivered to a fee. Not saying it happened here... But that concept happens.

I'm a Cost Engineer, and this is about the last I will say on the matter. I have not worked on this project, and I am not bound by any confidentiality agreement. But once I find out more info, it will go into the Confidential Vault. And I would expect the same in return.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
5 Dec 2011 9:39PM
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Just dont build a Ferris Wheel at the end of a runway.

Cambodge
VIC, 851 posts
5 Dec 2011 11:33PM
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A well-designed ferris wheel...clearly engineered to withstand aircraft impacts! Obviously constructed to post-9/11 specifications.

theDoctor
NSW, 5786 posts
6 Dec 2011 1:09AM
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Cambodge said...

Can't be bothered looking into it...but how come lots of other cities have successfully built much bigger ferris wheels? e.g. London, Singapore, etc, etc.


They are popping up in major cities around the world because they are star gates that will be used as portals for the invading inter dimensional reptilian shape shifters that will arrive come the end of 2012....

superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
6 Dec 2011 8:29AM
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Cambodge said...

Can't be bothered looking into it...but how come lots of other cities have successfully built much bigger ferris wheels? e.g. London, Singapore, etc, etc.

Is it the big RANGE of temperatures that's the problem in Melbourne?...from single-digit degree winter days up to 44+ degree days? If so, that's hardly a surprise for the designer??!


doubt it, as european temperatures range -20 to 30+, and haven't heard of any of their wheels coming loose... some built 30-40 years ago...

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
6 Dec 2011 9:08AM
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theDoctor said...

Cambodge said...

Can't be bothered looking into it...but how come lots of other cities have successfully built much bigger ferris wheels? e.g. London, Singapore, etc, etc.


They are popping up in major cities around the world because they are star gates that will be used as portals for the invading inter dimensional reptilian shape shifters that will arrive come the end of 2012....


Isnt the Queen a lizard? If so then your stargate shapeshifter theory is dashed

Cambodge
VIC, 851 posts
7 Dec 2011 10:49AM
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The Queen is just the protrusion into our blinkered three-dimensional space of the much greater multi-dimensional stargate shapeshifter lizard beings. Sheesh...Have you not read the hitchhiker's guide???!

Toots
WA, 271 posts
9 Dec 2011 12:57AM
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doggie said...

Simondo said...

I agree, who's going to ride on it?




Poms and boat people


Meh, Boat people are the hard industrious worker types who will work 20 hours a day and be able to afford their own shop in their second year of living here.
Poms and Houso's.

cantswm4sht
VIC, 411 posts
10 Dec 2011 3:55PM
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could be a problem, the melbourne wheel will still be incomplete by then

theDoctor said...

Cambodge said...

Can't be bothered looking into it...but how come lots of other cities have successfully built much bigger ferris wheels? e.g. London, Singapore, etc, etc.


They are popping up in major cities around the world because they are star gates that will be used as portals for the invading inter dimensional reptilian shape shifters that will arrive come the end of 2012....


weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
10 Dec 2011 7:08PM
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God, have you people been living in the dark ages, have you seen the sydney harbour bridge australians are capable, to say we cant is a load of SH!T

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
10 Dec 2011 8:29PM
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Two words..... Chinese steel.

cantswm4sht
VIC, 411 posts
11 Dec 2011 9:46AM
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Hmmm, wonder if you remember the westgate bridge in melbourne collapsing during construction, or the crane collapse during roof construction of the new melbourne venue

weiry said...

God, have you people been living in the dark ages, have you seen the sydney harbour bridge australians are capable, to say we cant is a load of SH!T


weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
11 Dec 2011 9:01PM
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cantswm4sht said...

Hmmm, wonder if you remember the westgate bridge in melbourne collapsing during construction, or the crane collapse during roof construction of the new melbourne venue
weiry said...

God, have you people been living in the dark ages, have you seen the sydney harbour bridge australians are capable, to say we cant is a load of SH!T





Hmm wonder if you remember the westgate bridge and the bolte bridge are still there and going strong



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