Yes a cut and paste from today's email list.
28th March2011
The carbon tax may work –in a 1000 years
Professor Tim Flannery, the Commissioner for Climate Change said on radio on Friday,” If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow the average temperature of the planet is not going to drop in several hundred years, perhaps as much as a thousand years...”.
By the time this proposed carbon tax has had its affect Jesus will have come and gone, again!
The two great mysteries in 1000 years time will be, “Is Stefano DiMera from Days of Our Lives really dead?” and, “Who in the Australian Labor party honestly thought they could change the climate from a room in Canberra?”
And Tim Flannery's predictions if humans continue to add Greenhouse gasses at the present rate were ..... ..... ... . . . . ....?
Cisco, are you on the National party mailing list by chance?
Seems like a pretty kooky email to try a discredit a well respected Australian.
They could do better.
and once again the mother of all misinformation gets bandied around.
to clarify the enlightening post above this information was made very clear at the first climate commission.
so here are the details in their full context.
if we stop emissions now it will take approx 1000 years to reverse the damge we have already caused.
but now the rest of the information.
if we stop emissions now we will stop the temperature increase at around 1.5-2 deg which is substantially better than the predicted 4+ deg if we do nothing.
we are already at .9 deg and are seeing the signs of that clearly with the global weather and plant and animal species on the move with some facing extinction.
at 1.5-2deg this is what we face.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_global_warming_on_Australia
at 4-5 deg it's extreme. 5 degrees is the difference between average temps of a warm period and an ice age. you don't need to be einstein to realiser that a small percentage of 5deg makes a big difference.
so the point is, we need to stop emissions now to halt the effects rising above 2 deg celcius. and the carbon tax will in fact work if it reduces carbon emissions enough to keep temps down under 2 deg.
australia is not leading the way in the world with the carbon tax. a carbon tax has been in operation in europe for some years as they are leading the world. carbon taxes are also being submitted to parliments the world over for approval.
I've said it before, I'll say it again.
If CO2 is the problem, then wherever that's taking us, then that's where we are going.
A piddling tax on carbon is not going to make the slightest bit of difference in the long run except to maybe delay the end point by a year or two. Big deal!
If you believe CO2 is the problem then the only way to change the outcome is to stop burning stuff now, or at least very soon.
If global warming is "the greatest moral challenge of our time" (KRudd quote) then every cent of the carbon tax should be spent on research into some form of energy generation to replace burning carbon based fuels.
Putting a tax on carbon and then paying the tax money to people so they can use more energy is madness.
It's nothing more than taking a collection to repaint the deck chairs on the Titanic,.. as it slips slowly beneath the waves.
How is it that we can we afford 43 billion dollars for a high speed broadband network so we can download porn a bit faster and yet we can't afford even one percent of that to solve "the greatest moral challenge of our time"?
The idea that we can all control the climate by paying extra for our Petrol / Diesel / Gas / Electricity is criminal.
Governments have seen a way to feed our fears and then prey upon them with extra taxation
http://www.ozclimatesense.com/2011/03/professor-carter-corrects-climate.html
"Climate Common Sense is not a sceptical site but a non-believer's site .Global warming and cooling are natural phenomena and carbon dioxide is a lovely gas vital to plant growth. Global Warming has stopped and Climate Change ( I call it Weather) is the new manufactured bogeyman. This website will present a realist view on the Climate Change debate."
A very good site, thanks Gizmo. Expect the fanatical alarmists to ridicule it though, that's their style.
don't forget to stop eating meat and drink milk.......... cow fart is a bigg co2 add to the problem.
But anyway who cares it is all over in 21/12/2012 so enjoy as much as we can[}:)]
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Let's leave out all of the stuff after "is it real" ok Do we all acknowledge that every academy of science in every major country of the world, and an overwhelming number of independent scientists, and an even more overwhelming number of climate scientists are concluding that there is heating and there is a reason for it: IE Co2 emissions from man. Let's leave aside Gillard ,the tax, wealth distribution,1000 years...... all the other stuff. So just the basics. do we think the basics are bollocks?
Carbon tax aside, climate change aside, how is it a good thing that we (read the developed world) continue to use "more" of everything?
Here's an interesting view on "consumption" (and washing machines!)
Does anybody really think the Government is going to use anywhere near all funds raised from this tax towards reducing carbon. Let's not be naive, the country is broke so this will disappear into the treasury "black hole" like so many other "necessary" taxes and levies that have come before it.
$26 a tonne to dispose of rubbish! What a bargain. It costs me $45 to get rid of half a ute load, at the local tip.
pweedas, most of what you say makes sense except the bit about governments putting all the money into research. I'd think that if governments created a huge alternative energy research scheme (something which actually they do already fund on a much smaller scale through the universities) then what that would do is create a huge alternative energy research business. They'd be in the business of doing research, not necessarily the business of finding solutions. In fact the cynical among you (what here?) would say they would be in the business of NOT finding solutions 'cause that would stop the money flow.
Meanwhile the corporations in the business of burning things have no motivation to stop. In fact, they're motivated NOT to stop because it'd cost them money to move to different technology and every corporation is in the business of improving profit. Which means controlling costs.
On the other hand, if you slug a large corporate a big tax on their pollution, they instantly have lots of motivation to go find something cheaper. They have the motivation to both do the research and stop burning things.
Before the new Coal Loaders were even an itch in their daddies pants They built some token enrgy windmills on Kooragang Island, these enrgy windmills are now being moved to a place unknown yet to make room for more coal loaders for china, now thats progress!
Question to someone who understands.........
who is going to pay the carbon tax for the Desal plant about to be commissioned in victoria??
