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For the Electric Car Lovers - 750hp!

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Created by ikw777 > 9 months ago, 13 Apr 2013
ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
13 Apr 2013 6:16PM
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Phenomenal:

Macroscien
QLD, 6809 posts
13 Apr 2013 9:20PM
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to cut the ultimate love to petrol busting cars fans I would like to see such dragster race competition:
-traditional dragster
vs
electric dragster with electric power supplied by pantogram ( means no dead battery weight inside!)
I am afraid that only acceleration limit to second will be human body inside - so limiter must be setup to 10 max 15 G
now we could calculate what will be ultimate speed or time on standard drag race distance
already you could buy 5-10kw electric motors which weight no more then 600 grams, that is power to weight ratio what counts
which mean that even Funny car with his 8,000Hp could be beaten
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funny_car

smicko
WA, 2503 posts
13 Apr 2013 8:00PM
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Nope that doesn't help

FormulaNova
WA, 15105 posts
13 Apr 2013 8:02PM
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Macroscien, I think one of the limiting factors in drag cars past a certain point is traction.

Your electric tram would have the same problem. I don't think power is actually a problem with these cars so much as getting it down to the tarmac.

Why would you want to use a pantograph? What are you proving by doing that?

Carantoc
WA, 7298 posts
13 Apr 2013 8:07PM
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Macroscien said...

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electric dragster with electric power supplied by pantogram ( means no dead battery weight inside!)




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Macro - did you take too many or not enough ?

Macroscien
QLD, 6809 posts
14 Apr 2013 12:25PM
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FormulaNova said...
Macroscien, I think one of the limiting factors in drag cars past a certain point is traction.

Your electric tram would have the same problem. I don't think power is actually a problem with these cars so much as getting it down to the tarmac.

Why would you want to use a pantograph? What are you proving by doing that?



1. With access available power you could create for example reverse hovercraft : suck air from beneath car or push down with fan. Now you have your unlimited traction. I have been even considering using belt instead of tires. Similar to your ordinary belt sander but re-sized to support whole car. Now you could very easy suck the air through small holes in that belt to make it stick to the ground. Theoretically should run on the ceiling upside down too.

Even if you look at fastest dragsters today they still relay on gravity only to keep them steady at the start. If you push down nose of that long dragster using fan - vehicle should tilt to the back (prance)


2. Pantograph to have access to unlimited external power source without worry to carry heavy battery - will do for race track,
From the beginning the only limitation to electric car evolution was and still is lack of high density energy storage. Otherwise electric cars could beat combustion cars on all fronts: price, reliability , simplicity etc.

One day, just matter of time and resources pureed into the projects and research new revolutionary battery will be developed. Small and light but with almost unlimited potential storage.

By then we could concentrate and build the rest of the electric car - mean complete EV but without storage device. There is still long way to design proper EV without inheritance of heavy metal frame tanks running on our roads today.


CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
14 Apr 2013 1:23PM
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I'd love a window into your mind Macro...it must be a wild place haha.

Given current technology I don't think you'd get an electric dragster that could compete with a nitro one. As said before Dragsters make ~8000HP, they can't use all of it, traction is their issue and given the current rules they are at the limit pretty much. It would be the same for an electric one but with more weight.

RE the video, the most interesting part is torque vectoring, that's a really interesting development and the advantages of using it to make a car corner much faster are obvious. Cool stuff.

Ian K
WA, 4170 posts
14 Apr 2013 11:52AM
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The Maclaren sports car used the "reverse hovercraft" idea many years ago. From the google search of "Maclaren F1"

"The normal McLaren F1 features no wings to produce downforce (compare the LM and GTR editions); however, the overall design of the underbody of the McLaren F1 in addition to a rear diffuser exploits ground effect to improve downforce which is increased through the use of two electric Kevlar fans to further decrease the pressure under the car.[18] A "high downforce mode" can be turned on and off by the driver."

Macroscien
QLD, 6809 posts
14 Apr 2013 2:23PM
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CJW said...

Given current technology I don't think you'd get an electric dragster that could compete with a nitro one

ok we can test this idea already on a micro scale.
RC or micro models
Which one will be faster ?
Nitro car or electric one with power supplied by rail ?



actually realy good video to compare both technologies electric and combustion

PaddlePig
WA, 421 posts
14 Apr 2013 8:25PM
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I am glad someone mentioned the RC thing. I play around with boats and the amount of power a brushless motor can make is unexplainable! So efficient and powerful! If that can be applied to real sized applications petrol will be gone so quickly.



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