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Information - the most useless age

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Created by Carantoc > 9 months ago, 13 Sep 2010
Carantoc
WA, 7302 posts
13 Sep 2010 9:33AM
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We are in the information age -

million of people get paid millions of dollars to collect millions of pieces of information

The information age will get faster and faster, bigger and bigger, one ever increasing self inflating balloon until ....

one day it will end in a giant dot.com type burst when millions of people realise they don't need millions of peices of useless information and certainly don't want to pay millions of dollars for it.


I am going to make millions collecting data on how much data is collected and selling it to people who are collecting data on how much data is collected about how much data is being collected.

Now, to start - anybody know anything they found out in the internet ?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
13 Sep 2010 1:27PM
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Ask PM33, he knows everything

theDoctor
NSW, 5786 posts
13 Sep 2010 8:57PM
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Carantoc said...

Now, to start - anybody know anything they found out in the internet ?


Carantoc is a moron

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
13 Sep 2010 9:20PM
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interesting book I just finished by Chris Anderson called Free.

There's lots in it but one of the main points he makes is that as one thing becomes free or ubiquitous, then others become more valuable.

Information has become free but trusted information is now rarer than ever. Websites like the FT, BBC, ABC etc become more valuable (please note absence of News international sources). Wikipedia is valued but only in places and only when it points at proper peer reviewed research.

I was talking to some mates who have teenage children and the biggest skill they now have to learn is not finding information, but assessing the credibility of sources.

There's negatives. In the past, a voice in the wilderness with a decent message stood a chance of getting through. Now the vast amount of bull**** on most media channels (especially youtube) means that the messages are totally lost.

DavMen
NSW, 1510 posts
13 Sep 2010 9:34PM
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I won't byte into this argument

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
13 Sep 2010 7:59PM
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Ginger Pom i don't need 'a peer reviewed credible source' to tell me that building 7

was anything but a controlled demolition!!!

this is not rocket science for ..... sake.

the link you posted in another thread to popular mechanics regarding building 7

went something like this.....

25 percent of building 7 was scooped out!!!!!

that is a complete 100 percent MONSTROUS LIE and you know it.

there is not a scrap of evidence to support this outlandish claim, no photos or

video.

further if this was true the building would have fallen to the side.

another major point; the huge increase in acceleration of fall of building 7 proves it

was a controlled demolition

with each individual floor providing massive resistance the speed of collapse could

not possibly have been so great

unless of course it was a controlled demo.







SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
13 Sep 2010 10:01PM
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Hooogaaannn.......I know narrrrthing , naarrrthing !!!!

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
13 Sep 2010 8:24PM
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Useless?

Big call.

Perhaps if all you use the net for is surfing for pr0n... err hang on then it's not useless at all. Only checking the seabreeze graphs? Hmmm not useless then either. I'm struggling to think of one thing that the net is useless at.

Making coffee? Cleaning the house?

If those are your criteria then I guess it is useless, but I'd like to see someone try to figure out where the nearest vet is, using nothing but a vacuum cleaner

theDoctor
NSW, 5786 posts
13 Sep 2010 10:43PM
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yeah that'd suck

Carantoc
WA, 7302 posts
13 Sep 2010 8:46PM
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^^

No no, I wasn't saying that, that is way off my point.

I wasn't saying obtaining direct information that you use to make a decision is useless or will explode, but that 'information' as an entity will come to be an entity with no real purpose.

For example, there are many companies out there whose sole business is collecting and collating statistcal data to be sold to other companies.

Such things like the average age of a person who buys size 6 shoes, or the number of people who drive yellow cars and also wear suits, or distribution of hits on facebook vs time of day, or 10 million names and addresses.

Now, it may seem like that info is good and helps refine an advertising campaign or something, but I am predicting that it is getting, and will get so riduculos, that the information will become a tradable commodity, whilst the information itself is actually useless.

If you think somebody will buy something for $2 and you can get it for $1 you will buy it to sell it right ?, no matter what it is, in fact what it is isn't important.

That is OK and will keep happening whilst the person sepnding $2 thinks he can get $4, until one day people will realise they just spent $4 on something of no value.

Not a hard prediction really when there are so many other markets in the world like that.

Carantoc
WA, 7302 posts
13 Sep 2010 8:55PM
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theDoctor said...

Carantoc said...

Now, to start - anybody know anything they found out in the internet ?


Carantoc is a moron


Perfect illustration of my point. I will now collect data on all the morons on the internet.

I have two on the list already.

But, what use is that information ?

I bet if I went to a data collection agency and told them I could sell tham data on morons who may be susceptable to purchasing 'Conspiracy Monthly' then they would pay me for that info, so they could sell it to 'NWO Press' who publish 'Conspiracy Monthly' on the premise that NWO Press could target an advertising campaign.

Now, my list has value on the world market. Maybe I will sell it to an agent who will then on sell it to a data collection agency

Maybe, one day somebody will realise that they just paid $100 for something that they didn't know what it was but have just found out it is a list of morons.

desertyank
1264 posts
13 Sep 2010 8:58PM
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theDoctor said...



yeah that'd suck


I got it......

The rest are living in a vacuum....

FormulaNova
WA, 15111 posts
13 Sep 2010 9:08PM
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Carantoc said...

We are in the information age -

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one day it will end in a giant dot.com type burst when millions of people realise they don't need millions of peices of useless information and certainly don't want to pay millions of dollars for it.



Despite not liking the practice, this sort of information gathering and targeted marketing seems to work.

I think Google are getting quite clever in the way they suggest ads based on previous searches you have done.

Why would you want to target puppy food to people that don't have dogs?

Carantoc
WA, 7302 posts
13 Sep 2010 9:19PM
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^^

Again, I see logic in Google collecting such data and then using it to directly determine which ad to run.

But, if Google collect it and sell it to somebody other than a dog food advertiser, who purchases it as an investment to on-sell in the future then it eventually makes the data itself useless and thus worthless, but the commodity is tradeble as an investment.

I am seeing an information futures exchange, where you can by the right to purchase data that has yet to be gathered. Why not, it is done with everything else ?

Now, you say that is ridiculous but ....... I can think of more ridiculous investment schemes that have existed, in fact the futures share market is not far off, the re-insurance market is even a bit closer.

I am predicting :
one day 'information packages' will be a tradeable commodity (not the information itself per-see, but the existance of the information), and then one day the information market will collapse.

Get in and out before the collapse and you could make it big.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
13 Sep 2010 10:04PM
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Carantoc said...

^^

No no, I wasn't saying that, that is way off my point.

I wasn't saying obtaining direct information that you use to make a decision is useless or will explode, but that 'information' as an entity will come to be an entity with no real purpose.



Ahh well that makes sense. I feel a bit silly for missing it before.

A bit like shares of companies, how you can trade them and their value fluctuates according to whatever whim hits the market?

So you're saying that information trading will become more volatile than existing commodities? I can see how that would work. It's a lot easier to make a copy of a database than it is to make a copy of a gold bar... and once you've got two copies the value halves. And once the information is released to the general public, its value drops to zero...

It will be an interesting next decade or two

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
14 Sep 2010 8:36AM
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petermac33 said...

Ginger Pom i don't need 'a peer reviewed credible source' to tell me that building 7

was anything but a controlled demolition!!!

this is not rocket science for ..... sake.



I hate to say it but I agree with you on that one Peter..........

Trant
NSW, 601 posts
14 Sep 2010 10:55AM
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Carantoc said...
Maybe, one day somebody will realise that they just paid $100 for something that they didn't know what it was but have just found out it is a list of morons.


Having worked in the "Direct Mail" (junk mail) industry, I can tell you that a list of morons is actually quite valuable.

A list of "Rich Morons" is priceless

Hiko
1229 posts
14 Sep 2010 9:37AM
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ginger pom said...

interesting book I just finished by Chris Anderson called Free.

There's lots in it but one of the main points he makes is that as one thing becomes free or ubiquitous, then others become more valuable.


Just lost me right there Air is free but there is hardly anything more valuable to us

maxm
NSW, 864 posts
14 Sep 2010 5:57PM
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(groan)

I read this thread thinking it was another one on the NBN. I got my soapbox out and everything! Boy was I wrong. Must be time for boobs.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
14 Sep 2010 9:12PM
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Hello. I have worked in I.T. for 10 years now.

The examples above are not the normal type of information we deal with and exchange on a daily basis. The data are really boring. Trust me.

The idea of buying/selling packets of information is retarded. This idea is not dissimilar to buying/selling pages of books.

The closest thing to this idea is perhaps Data Mining:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining

To give you an idea of how we transact large volumes of information, in the real world, most of the work I do with terabytes of information, sometimes processes that take 24+hrs to run, are estimating future pay runs for large organisations (commitments), crunching swathes of data down to a few numbers for reporting to govt. departments, or interfaces that do high volume/low data transactions like payments.

Again, really boring stuff that has been done throughout history, just not to the same extent or speed. That's where I.T. fits in.

P.S. there's some nut who's popular right now in some circles raving about how we'll be able to simulate the brain in the near future because it only contains x bytes of information, yada yada. We're not even remotely close.

Sweet electric dreams y'all.

PeterWac33
WA, 9 posts
15 Sep 2010 9:01PM
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Ginger Pom i don't need 'a peer reviewed credible source' to tell me that building 7 was anything but a controlled demolition!!! I have voices in my head that do a much better job

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
15 Sep 2010 11:36PM
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maxm said...

(groan)

I read this thread thinking it was another one on the NBN. I got my soapbox out and everything! Boy was I wrong. Must be time for boobs.


come on doggie....... oh well I'll have to deal with it then.

(.) (.) mmmm boobs



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