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Is this the end of the Aussie bloke?

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Created by Pittsy > 9 months ago, 17 Nov 2008
Pittsy
SA, 251 posts
17 Nov 2008 11:22PM
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FORGET the whales - it's time to save the males, research shows. A national survey of 500 Australians has found the hard-drinking, straight-talking Aussie male is under threat.

The research, commissioned by Barons Brewing Co, suggests a rise in the number of champagne-drinking metrosexuals.

POLL: Are real Aussie blokes metrosexuals or bogans? Vote in the panel to the right.
YOUR SAY: Give us your observations in the comment box below.
The results show:

EIGHT out of 10 surveyed think men spend more on their appearance than 10 years ago.

75 PER CENT say men are more likely to bring champagne and a cheese plate to a barbecue rather than beer and a tray of raw meat.

60 PER CENT say men prefer to meet up at restaurants or cafes rather than pubs.

50 PER CENT say men are more likely to do yoga or pilates than play footy or cricket at the weekend.

Fathering and relationships also seems to be affecting the Aussie male's ability to find time for his mates. The survey found 56 per cent of respondents think men now spend more time with their partner's friends or the parents of his children's friends rather than his own mates.

Michael Bois, 27, who owns men's city clothing store Swarvie Saint, was taking wine - and quiche - to a barbecue yesterday.

"Real men eat quiche and I always take wine to a barbecue and a gift for the host - a bunch of flowers if it's a girl and a bottle of spirits if it's a guy," he said.

While his mates, sales representative Terry Nicolitsi, 28, and plumber Braden Keen, 25, were more likely to bring beer to a barbie than wine, the three still enjoyed traditional male-bonding rituals together, Mr Bois said.

Scott Garnett, Barons Brewing CEO, spends a lot of time in pubs and noticed Aussie men were losing their identity.
"If the trends continue there'll nothing but weak handshakes and pink frocks," he said.

"We're not advocating men become yobbos - far from it - but we're losing the ability to laugh at ourselves and this is a key part of who we are," he said.


Take from Adelaidenow.com.au

www.adelaidenow.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
17 Nov 2008 10:09PM
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Maybe, maybe not. When the chips are down they buckle down to it just as good as ever Throw a crisis at them and watch the reaction
Surveys are full of holes anyway
They do tend spend a lot more on their appearance,(urbanised types) and some, you could say, spend more on their grooming than the females they are partnered up with

Go for a run in the bush, do the same survey and it will come out near on 180 degrees from this one. Never been much different since the early 1900's in the variance between the city blokes and the bush blokes. But as I said, let there be a crises and watch the Aussie, and the Kiwi for that matter drop the shoulder to the wheel and give his all.
Oh, and I dont drink beer, its got a shocking taste a few cans of whishky and dry, do me OK

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
17 Nov 2008 10:28PM
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mineral1 said...
Oh, and I dont drink beer, its got a shocking taste a few cans of whishky and dry, do me OK

Youve missed the point mate, whats taste got to do with it

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
18 Nov 2008 12:49AM
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I'll keep doing my bit for the Aussie male.....there's still some of us here!

And as for taking Quiche to a barbie....That guy should get a fair slap across

....I mean, should get a 'punch in the guts'!

Dawn Patrol
WA, 1991 posts
17 Nov 2008 11:10PM
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I think most of the people on here wouldnt fall under those catagories.

Cheese plate at a barbie. Over meat. I think not. Bring on the dead animals

The only one i agree with is the yoga. Some of the girls that come to do yoga....i dont think guys are doing it for the yoga. [}:)]

Seriously, who would take a queche to a bbq

Woooo number 1000

dism
NSW, 660 posts
18 Nov 2008 2:00AM
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What bloke drinks champagne over beer?

I don't mind some quiche, but as a side to some snags and a steak, not the whole meal!

And who would go to a restaurant/club over a cheap/big/yum pubfeed?

Geez

This survey is either a tool to promote beer sales/the brewing company and has probably been rigged to get a result

Either that, or the city folk are getting worse

mytchook
QLD, 561 posts
18 Nov 2008 6:49AM
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I have to say that I miss the real "man's man". I like the "rough around the edges" kind of guy.

There is nothing wrong with a guy showing some sensitivity, but a real man who is not into moisturising etc.. can't be beaten.

I like the fact that I take longer in the bathroom to get ready for a night out than my husband does.

Real Aussie Blokes are not "bogans". But they are a slow dying breed of guy!!!

manicskier
VIC, 772 posts
18 Nov 2008 8:19AM
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What a load of rubbsh, who was asked these questions, probabily a bunch of poooofs from adelaide

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
18 Nov 2008 1:37PM
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manicskier said...

What a load of rubbsh, who was asked these questions, probabily a bunch of poooofs from adelaide




I think it was a survey that was slipped between the pages of FHM, or perhaps Ralph.....If it had've been placed in Picture, or People magazine.... It might've had a different outcome!

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
18 Nov 2008 12:00PM
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Ha ha - nothin to do with being blokey.. it is more an awarness that taste buds and olifactory senses are to be spoilt, not abused with cr@p quality offerings

Anyone fancy some blue castello? It goes a treat with some quince paste and the wooded semillon.. Or you can have the mystery bags (party pies) and some beer (not sure if the over-chemicalled fizzy urine precursor brewed in Oz would pass most countries definition of beer).. Or of coursre you can eat some organic fertaliser over on the garden.. your choice sweety

brady
TAS, 455 posts
18 Nov 2008 2:43PM
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How is Carlton Draught like having a shag in a canoe?

They're both f***ing close to water

Tiddlywinks
WA, 164 posts
18 Nov 2008 12:57PM
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getfunky said...




Ha ha - nothin to do with being blokey.. it is more an awarness that taste buds and olifactory senses are to be spoilt, not abused with cr@p quality offerings

Anyone fancy some blue castello? It goes a treat with some quince paste and the wooded semillon.. Or you can have the mystery bags (party pies) and some beer (not sure if the over-chemicalled fizzy urine precursor brewed in Oz would pass most countries definition of beer).. Or of coursre you can eat some organic fertaliser over on the garden.. your choice sweety


I like Your Style Funky..Get a couple of Caperberries on the Plate with the Blue Vein and Quince Paste... Yumm...

knot board
QLD, 1241 posts
18 Nov 2008 2:20PM
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A clear case of sample bias in the study, the type of bloke who takes time to respond to (an internet based) survey is unlikely to be the same bloke who arrives at a BBQ wearing his wifebeater and carrying a slab of VB under one arm and a meat-tray under the other.

GreenPat
QLD, 4108 posts
18 Nov 2008 2:33PM
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This reminds me of a book I read recently, and searching for Hugh Mackay's term 'new bloke' led me to find this:

The Aussie bloke

October 2005

Sociologist Dr Andrew Singleton asks whether the traditional Aussie bloke has disappeared -- or is he just hard to spot behind the optimistic rhetoric of social commentators?

Is the old-fashioned Aussie bloke an endangered species? You know, the fella clutching the beer at the barbie, gut hanging over his shorts, earning an honest 9 to 5 living, unfussed about whether he had spent quality time with his kids, blissfully unaware that his psychological wellbeing may need attention.

Popular media often gives the impression that several new male sub-species have evolved in these post-modern and liberated times, rendering the traditional bloke a relic.

We have the 'metrosexual' -- hairless and tanned, swanning from inner-city bar to waterfront apartment on his shiny Vespa. The 'new lad' -- a self-employed tradesman who reads Ralph magazine and whose earning power in the new economy is signified by his metallic-blue, mud-free Holden SS ute. And finally, the 'new father' -- up to his elbows in baby poo, vomit rag tossed over one shoulder as he vacuums the house for his working wife.

Beyond these facile media stereotypes, however, social circumstances over the past two decades have spawned the earnest belief that men are changing, and for the better.

Social researcher Hugh Mackay recently wrote about the existence of the 'new bloke', who is "comfortable both with his masculinity ... and with the new meanings of female liberation". A recent article in The Age carried the sub-head: "From delivery room to daily grind, the modern dad is more than just a breadwinner". In the mid-1990s, psychologist Steve Biddulph's book Manhood: An Action Plan for Changing Men's Lives, which offers a solution to the masculinity crisis, became a best-seller.

Despite this widespread optimism and myth-making, a careful reading of the evidence suggests the elements that have traditionally defined manhood -- breadwinning, fatherhood, men's assumption of superiority over women -- remain largely unaltered.

There are three pieces of evidence that support this notion.

Rather than scaling back their professional commitments to spend more time with family, Australian men apparently care about work more than ever before. Recent figures show Australians now put in the second-longest working hours among OECD nations. The unprecedented and extraordinary level of household debt creates a powerful imperative for men to stay at their desks, workbenches or sales meeting.

Contemporary fathers might, in theory, be more interested in quality time with the kids. But in practice, this idyllic picture crumbles. Australian men are not actually spending much time in their children's company. A recent report by the Australia Institute found 30 per cent of Melbourne fathers spent more time commuting each week than they did with their children. US research tells us that, on average, a man actually increases his annual hours of paid, outside work by 38 hours per year after the birth of a child.

Equality between the sexes? Even with equal opportunity legislation, men on average still earn more than women for performing the same kind of work.

Evidence of the existence of the so-called 'new man' is usually anecdotal, or based on an optimistic reading of research, such as the finding that men now spend one hour more per week on housework than they did 30 years ago.

All this means we should treat the 'changing man' imagery with suspicion, for this new-age creature seems to be more a product of wishful thinking than a reality. Though some progress has been made, the traditional Aussie male, far from being extinct, may in fact merely have disguised himself in the sheep's clothing provided by the notion of 'changed masculinity'.

Dr Andrew Singleton is a sociology lecturer in the School of Political and Social Inquiry at Monash.

From http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/monmag/issue16-2005/opinion/opinion-bloke.html

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
18 Nov 2008 4:05PM
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"We're not advocating men become yobbos - far from it - but we're losing the ability to laugh at ourselves and this is a key part of who we are," he said.

I don't get it. I thought the guy taking quiche to a BBQ was pretty funny.

I tell you what though, the next generation is a real eye-opener (probably some of you on here you little homos).

WTF #1: Got a haircut the other day and 3 young guys came in to watch their mate get a haircut. They then discussed hair straighteners. They weren't gay.

WTF #2: While derigging a guy and his girlfriend were playing in a tree near me. He was wearing white, short shorts and a soft pink polo shirt, collar up of course, white shoes. Think Peter Allen. This now appears to be quite normal.

WTF #3: Went to buy some pants at Deisel. They usually make pretty kewl stuff, bit rough around the edges and all. Not any more. From the four pairs I tried on two were so skinny and tight I couldn't fit into them (I'm pretty slim) and the third ... well...

"Um, I don't think I like these", I says.
"Why not?", says the female assistant.
"Look again", says me.
"What?", she replies.
"Am I circumcised or not?", I jest.
"Oh", she blushes.

So yes, the Aussie bloke is dying, perhaps the last generation.

Edit: I just remembered that when I was 17 I used to wear tight, black jeans, so I guess they are just back in style. Apologies to anyone who is wearing tight pants and looking stupid.

Mark _australia
WA, 23746 posts
18 Nov 2008 2:44PM
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mineral1 said...

a few cans of whishky and dry, do me OK


sounds like you just had a few

Dawn Patrol
WA, 1991 posts
18 Nov 2008 2:49PM
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evlPanda said...
WTF #1: Got a haircut the other day and 3 young guys came in to watch their mate get a haircut. They then discussed hair straighteners. They weren't gay.

WTF #2: While derigging a guy and his girlfriend were playing in a tree near me. He was wearing white, short shorts and a soft pink polo shirt, collar up of course, white shoes. Think Peter Allen. This now appears to be quite normal.

WTF #3: Went to buy some pants at Deisel. They usually make pretty kewl stuff, bit rough around the edges and all. Not any more. From the four pairs I tried on two were so skinny and tight I couldn't fit into them (I'm pretty slim) and the third ... well...


I had my half yearly haircut the other day. In the kitchen of my house. I only cut it when it turns into dreadlocks because i never comb it. It takes about half a year to get long enough to warrant a cut. I extend the time by cutting clumps of hair out that keep getting knotted.

Going with a mate to get a hair cut.....that is the weirdest thing ever.

I seriously don't understand guys wearing tonnes of bright white. A guy at work come in with white speedos most days

And skinny jeans are my enemy. Could anything be more uncomfortable??? I buy all my clothing on comfort, as long as it doesn't look completely crap, who cares. My mates think it gross when i wear my jeans for a few weeks at a time with no wash. What the problem, im not rolling in mud, they dont smell, and they dont show little dirt/kebab accidents.

It really is worrying how everyone is turning into a bunch of girls. How can we reverse this downhill trend???


Stil cant believe that haircut thing.

dism
NSW, 660 posts
18 Nov 2008 5:08PM
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Dawn Patrol said...


Amen.

Denim shorts - at least 1.5wks in them without a wash

hair cut - when trying to get a job or approx 6-8months

But then again, we are uni students!

Why is everyone metro now?

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
18 Nov 2008 4:03PM
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evlPanda said...

"We're not advocating men become yobbos - far from it - but we're losing the ability to laugh at ourselves and this is a key part of who we are," he said.

I don't get it. I thought the guy taking quiche to a BBQ was pretty funny.

I tell you what though, the next generation is a real eye-opener (probably some of you on here you little homos).

WTF #1: Got a haircut the other day and 3 young guys came in to watch their mate get a haircut. They then discussed hair straighteners. They weren't gay.

WTF #2: While derigging a guy and his girlfriend were playing in a tree near me. He was wearing white, short shorts and a soft pink polo shirt, collar up of course, white shoes. Think Peter Allen. This now appears to be quite normal.

WTF #3: Went to buy some pants at Deisel. They usually make pretty kewl stuff, bit rough around the edges and all. Not any more. From the four pairs I tried on two were so skinny and tight I couldn't fit into them (I'm pretty slim) and the third ... well...

"Um, I don't think I like these", I says.
"Why not?", says the female assistant.
"Look again", says me.
"What?", she replies.
"Am I circumcised or not?", I jest.
"Oh", she blushes.

So yes, the Aussie bloke is dying, perhaps the last generation.

Edit: I just remembered that when I was 17 I used to wear tight, black jeans, so I guess they are just back in style. Apologies to anyone who is wearing tight pants and looking stupid.


Funny


Perhaps the sales chicky blushed because she hadn't picked you as a post op. trans-gender person



Personally I loathe metros as they are even more vain, vacant and superficial than the bad Maddonna (circa 84) wannabes they date (which never lasts as there is always a huge hissy over who gets 1st use of the hairdryer).


Quiche is just fancy-pants egg n bacon pie (neither of which tingle my taste buds much) and will ultimately lead to fushia polos and nut-crushing tight dacks, neither of which will leave a lasting impression on the bimbo in tow (as she secretely craves a hairy, smelly ignoaramus who treats her like a doormat). [}:)]


Tis a strange world out there folks.. more egg n bacon pie anyone?

NotWal
QLD, 7436 posts
18 Nov 2008 9:36PM
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Who gives a rat's anyway. Is someone having an identity crisis?

airush geoff
974 posts
18 Nov 2008 8:38PM
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manicskier said...

What a load of rubbsh, who was asked these questions, probabily a bunch of poooofs from adelaide




You know what- you can have your stinking victoria manicskier !

I am sick of the aspersions cast on adelaide- it is a great place with good people, and some good pooofs as you put it, ya homophobe....

Mark _australia
WA, 23746 posts
18 Nov 2008 9:41PM
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Dude it was because it was reported on adelaidenow.com.au

Lighten up

airush geoff
974 posts
18 Nov 2008 10:00PM
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Sorry just sick of all the ****e being flung around here lately... my bad- angry statements withdrawn...

I actually kinda like Vicco every now and then...

Pittsy
SA, 251 posts
18 Nov 2008 11:48PM
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airush geoff said...

Sorry just sick of all the ****e being flung around here lately... my bad- angry statements withdrawn...

I actually kinda like Vicco every now and then...


I am from Adelaide I posted it to see what people would say I read the article and had a laugh because I have witnessed this my self with kids at my school and camps taking ages to get ready. it was put up purely to debate over and have a laugh over.

Cheers Pittsy

Mark _australia
WA, 23746 posts
18 Nov 2008 10:35PM
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airush geoff said...

Sorry just sick of all the ****e being flung around here lately... my bad- angry statements withdrawn...

I actually kinda like Vicco every now and then...


Actually mine was a bit harsh. Sorry

All states have their ups n downs but I can't see much going for Vic

GlenMorangie
WA, 88 posts
19 Nov 2008 1:56AM
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next thing you know people will be wearing boardies over their wetties.

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
19 Nov 2008 9:03AM
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Tiddlywinks said...

getfunky said...




Ha ha - nothin to do with being blokey.. it is more an awarness that taste buds and olifactory senses are to be spoilt, not abused with cr@p quality offerings

Anyone fancy some blue castello? It goes a treat with some quince paste and the wooded semillon.. Or you can have the mystery bags (party pies) and some beer (not sure if the over-chemicalled fizzy urine precursor brewed in Oz would pass most countries definition of beer).. Or of coursre you can eat some organic fertaliser over on the garden.. your choice sweety


I like Your Style Funky..Get a couple of Caperberries on the Plate with the Blue Vein and Quince Paste... Yumm...



Jeeeze do you blokes iron your kalvin klien jocks too?

These things may be tasty but there is no way it beats the taste of a slab of pork cut from the sizzling carcass of a pig spit at 10 pm when you've had a skinfull.Or the taste of a kebab,with sour cream and chilli sauce,at 3 am after a night on the town.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
19 Nov 2008 11:14AM
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Jeeeze do you blokes iron your kalvin klien jocks too?

These things may be tasty but there is no way it beats the taste of a slab of pork cut from the sizzling carcass of a pig spit at 10 pm when you've had a skinfull.Or the taste of a kebab,with sour cream and chilli sauce,at 3 am after a night on the town.



Mate - that is like comparing a steak burger and a grogan sammy. You need to get out and chow down a bit more

Late night lamb sammies are the sole comfort for someone who has lucked out with the ladies (or blokes if that tickles ya) and are not phased if another human being is rendered unconscious by their breath for the next few days. Of course after a skinful and a luckless night they can be handy

grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
19 Nov 2008 2:45PM
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getfunky said...

Late night lamb sammies are the sole comfort for someone who has lucked out with the ladies (or blokes if that tickles ya) and are not phased if another human being is rendered unconscious by their breath for the next few days. Of course after a skinful and a luckless night they can be handy


Of course they can be consumed by blokes and sheilas who are totally comfortable with their social position and just enjoy the taste of garlic sauce

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
19 Nov 2008 3:33PM
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What two consenting adults get up to with a late night lamby sammy should be kept private.

manicskier
VIC, 772 posts
19 Nov 2008 8:03PM
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airush geoff said...

manicskier said...

What a load of rubbsh, who was asked these questions, probabily a bunch of poooofs from adelaide




You know what- you can have your stinking victoria manicskier !

I am sick of the aspersions cast on adelaide- it is a great place with good people, and some good pooofs as you put it, ya homophobe....




Sorry mate to offend you, i didn't mean everyone in SA was that way inclined, just that somehow they must have stood on the wrong corner and got a got a skewed sample - definitely not saying everyone in SA likes guys, i have some friends who live there (and they are still friends) and i also have good friends who are homosexual...

It was just a throw away comment... sorry



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