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Justice: Stefan Pahia Schmidt guilty of OBH murder

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Created by doggie > 9 months ago, 21 Jun 2012
doggie
WA, 15849 posts
21 Jun 2012 11:27AM
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STEFAN Schmidt has been found guilty of murdering Andrew Marshall, who was pushed to his death from a window at the Ocean Beach Hotel.

The WA Supreme Court jury convicted Schmidt, 26, late yesterday after deliberating for more than five hours.

Schmidt, a 152kg former bouncer, was on trial for the murder of Mr Marshall, 29, a New Zealand musician who fell to his death on May 8, 2011.

He appeared surprised by the verdict, holding his head in his hands and crying as the jury left the court.

Schmidt did not deny pushing Andrew Marshall, 29, through the window of the Ocean Beach Hotel in Perth's upmarket Cottesloe in May 2011, but pleaded not guilty, saying the death was an accident.

Mr Marshall's father Alan said he and wife Wendy travelled to Perth to get answers about their son's final hours and death, and honour their treasured family member.

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"There is no other place that we could be today,'' he told reporters outside the court.

"It has been heartbreaking and difficult to listen to.

"We knew it was going to be tough attending the trial and we weren't mistaken.

"It has been gruelling and harrowing, at times more than we could bear.''

He said they had found little relief and comfort in what they had heard.

"We didn't come seeking closure or even justice," Mr Marshall said.

"The truth for us is that there is no verdict or outcome that will bring Andy back to us.

"We don't want to be bitter and waste our energy with regrets and grudges - that would be just punishing ourselves over and over - but we do want to send a strong message that violence is unacceptable and intolerable.''

In his closing address to the Perth jury yesterday, defence lawyer Tom Percy conceded Schmidt should not have fled the pub as Mr Marshall lay dying on the footpath outside.

Mr Marshall had been talking to two girls with his back to the window when Schmidt approached and told the women - whom he knew - to go home.

He also told Mr Marshall to ''f... off'' and then pushed him after Mr Marshall allegedly said something in reply.

Mr Percy said both the victim and the accused were desperately unlucky.

If Schmidt had ''intended any serious harm'' to Mr Marshall, "he would have smashed him'', Mr Percy said.

He also said that if the window had been safety glass "we wouldn't be here today''.

Mr Percy conceded Schmidt should not have fled the pub as Mr Marshall lay dying on the footpath outside but he was "not on trial for showing a lack of compassion on the night''.

Prosecutor Amanda Forrester, in her own address to the jury, had described Schmidt as "like a coil, ready to spring'' when he "sprung on Mr Marshall''.

She said any reasonable person - not to mention a former crowd controller with fight experience - would have known the dangers of pushing a man standing in front of a second-storey window.

"The accused didn't just push (Mr Marshall) towards the window, he pushed him at it, through it,'' she said.

Schmidt faces a life jail sentence. Sentencing is scheduled for September.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/stefan-pahia-schmidt-not-on-trial-for-lack-of-compassion-says-lawyer/story-e6frg13u-1226403137258

myusernam
QLD, 6160 posts
21 Jun 2012 4:25PM
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sucked in dxckhead bouncer. Plenty of blokes in prison to beat up.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
21 Jun 2012 2:27PM
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myusernam said...

sucked in dxckhead bouncer. Plenty of blokes in prison to beat up.


Funny thing is he cried when he was sentanced, not so tough now hey buddy

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
21 Jun 2012 5:32PM
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Thanks Seabreeze News!

On March 23, 1994, a medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a gunshot wound of the head caused by a shotgun. Investigation to that point had revealed that the decedent had jumped from the top of a ten-story building with the intent to commit suicide. (He left a note indicating his despondency.) As he passed the 9th floor on the way down, his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast through a window, killing him instantly. Neither the shooter nor the decedent was aware that a safety net had been erected at the 8th floor level to protect some window washers, and that the decedent would most likely not have been able to complete his intent to commit suicide because of this.

Ordinarily, a person who starts into motion the events with a suicide intent ultimately commits suicide even though the mechanism might be not what he intended. That he was shot on the way to certain death nine stories below probably would not change his mode of death from suicide to homicide, but the fact that his suicide intent would not have been achieved under any circumstance caused the medical examiner to feel that he had homicide on his hands.

Further investigation led to the discovery that the room on the 9th floor from whence the shotgun blast emanated was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. He was threatening her with the shotgun because of an interspousal spat and became so upset that he could not hold the shotgun straight. Therefore, when he pulled the trigger, he completely missed his wife, and the pellets went through the window, striking the decedent.

When one intends to kill subject A but kills subject B in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject B. The old man was confronted with this conclusion, but both he and his wife were adamant in stating that neither knew that the shotgun was loaded. It was the longtime habit of the old man to threaten his wife with an unloaded shotgun. He had no intent to murder her; therefore, the killing of the decedent appeared then to be accident. That is, the gun had been accidentally loaded.

But further investigation turned up a witness that their son was seen loading the shotgun approximately six weeks prior to the fatal accident. That investigation showed that the mother (the old lady) had cut off her son's financial support, and her son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that the father would shoot his mother. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus.

Now comes the exquisite twist. Further investigation revealed that the son, one Ronald Opus, had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to get his mother murdered. This led him to jump off the ten-story building on March 23, only to be killed by a shotgun blast through a 9th story window.

The medical examiner closed the case as a suicide.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
21 Jun 2012 3:58PM
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I must be dumb, I read that three times and I dont get what you are getting at Panda. Please explain

NoBS
WA, 908 posts
21 Jun 2012 4:19PM
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copypasta alive and well on SB..

Sure is summery in here.

sausage
QLD, 4874 posts
21 Jun 2012 6:31PM
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doggie said...

I must be dumb, I read that three times and I dont get what you are getting at Panda. Please explain


Short of the long - the guy who committed suicide murdered himself under the technical definition of the law.

Great story too Panda.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
21 Jun 2012 4:33PM
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sausage said...

doggie said...

I must be dumb, I read that three times and I dont get what you are getting at Panda. Please explain


Short of the long - the guy who committed suicide murdered himself under the technical definition of the law.

Great story too Panda.


So how does that relate to the first story? One jumped and one was pushed?!?

grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
21 Jun 2012 4:36PM
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sausage said...

doggie said...

I must be dumb, I read that three times and I dont get what you are getting at Panda. Please explain


Short of the long - the guy who committed suicide murdered himself under the technical definition of the law.

Great story too Panda.


yeah, but whats it got to do with this story?

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
21 Jun 2012 7:16PM
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grumplestiltskin said...

sausage said...

doggie said...

I must be dumb, I read that three times and I dont get what you are getting at Panda. Please explain


Short of the long - the guy who committed suicide murdered himself under the technical definition of the law.

Great story too Panda.


yeah, but whats it got to do with this story?



Both are cut and paste story's ?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
21 Jun 2012 5:18PM
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SandS said...

grumplestiltskin said...

sausage said...

doggie said...

I must be dumb, I read that three times and I dont get what you are getting at Panda. Please explain


Short of the long - the guy who committed suicide murdered himself under the technical definition of the law.

Great story too Panda.


yeah, but whats it got to do with this story?



Both are cut and paste story's ?



Are we not allowed to c & p ?

theDoctor
NSW, 5786 posts
21 Jun 2012 7:37PM
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Bit of a case of glass houses dogboy,

I believe you chastise the copy pasters the most...

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
21 Jun 2012 5:49PM
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doggie said...
Funny thing is he cried when he was sentanced, not so tough now hey buddy

He hasn't been sentenced yet.

Mark _australia
WA, 23711 posts
21 Jun 2012 6:03PM
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So now, hopefully the bouncers will be charged for allowing him to go. Party to the offence / accessaries for helping him leave by way of their inaction?
Wankers.

stamp
QLD, 2800 posts
21 Jun 2012 9:26PM
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the ronald opus story is an urban myth. it's been doing the rounds for years...

Stuthepirate
SA, 3591 posts
21 Jun 2012 10:34PM
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Just heard on the radio that the court had supressed the fact that he was a member of the rock machine.
Seems to me that the jury may have got this one right.

BulldogPup
6657 posts
21 Jun 2012 9:18PM
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My deepest sympathy goes to the Marshall family of NZ , their son died way too early in life.

Sidenote: It seems his cousin also died in tragic circumstances and there may also be another muder trial underway in NZ regarding that - hard luck for that family for mine.

RIP both of you guys

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
21 Jun 2012 11:29PM
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Where are we going with all this copy-pasting ??

Mark _australia
WA, 23711 posts
21 Jun 2012 11:00PM
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(Ctrl-V) Where are we going with all this copy-pasting ??



Works for me

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
22 Jun 2012 8:06AM
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Stuthepirate said...

Just heard on the radio that the court had supressed the fact that he was a member of the rock machine.
Seems to me that the jury may have got this one right.


Whats the rock machine?

Stuthepirate
SA, 3591 posts
22 Jun 2012 8:54AM
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Mobydisc said...

Stuthepirate said...

Just heard on the radio that the court had supressed the fact that he was a member of the rock machine.
Seems to me that the jury may have got this one right.


Whats the rock machine?



Bikie Club, think they're from canada. They've been trying to get their foot in the door over here for a bit. Been in the news in recent times with a bit of biffo between them and the rebels. don't quote me.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
22 Jun 2012 8:40AM
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theDoctor said...


Bit of a case of glass houses dogboy,

I believe you chastise the copy pasters the most...


Lol, only you buddy

Mark _australia
WA, 23711 posts
22 Jun 2012 9:35AM
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Stuthepirate said...

Mobydisc said...

Stuthepirate said...

Just heard on the radio that the court had supressed the fact that he was a member of the rock machine.
Seems to me that the jury may have got this one right.


Whats the rock machine?



Bikie Club, think they're from canada. They've been trying to get their foot in the door over here for a bit. Been in the news in recent times with a bit of biffo between them and the rebels. don't quote me.


Yeah all the cool names for bikie gangs were already taken.

Dickheads.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
22 Jun 2012 12:01PM
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Should we start our own bikie gang?

WHAT SHALL WE CALL IT?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
22 Jun 2012 10:04AM
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evlPanda said...

Should we start our own bikie gang?

WHAT SHALL WE CALL IT?


HARD SALT

SALT MACHINE

SALT ANGELS

SALTINOS

HELLS OCEAN

Wow that wasnt easy

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
22 Jun 2012 10:10AM
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Heard he is going to appeal!
"I did not mean to kill him..... was a friendly push and I did not kicked that bloke on the way out was just a big cuddle............ did not mean to hurt him"
Stefan Wanker ....... I hope you will rot in jail and get your bum hole rammed, after all they will not try to kill you............ just a bit of loving![}:)]

Skid
QLD, 1499 posts
22 Jun 2012 1:36PM
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felixdcat said...

Heard he is going to appeal!
"I did not mean to kill him..... was a friendly push and I did not kicked that bloke on the way out was just a big cuddle............ did not mean to hurt him"
Stefan Wanker ....... I hope you will rot in jail and get your bum hole rammed, after all they will not try to kill you............ just a bit of loving![}:)]


Why would he appeal?
Where he's going he will get 3 meals a day and all the sex he wants

the gibbo
WA, 776 posts
22 Jun 2012 1:26PM
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I dont sympathise with Shidt at all......but, doesnt murder have to be pre-meditated in some way to convict.

Most of us would have hit/pushed someone in anger at some stage in our life without meaning to kill/murder them. I am sure this bloke wouldnt have thought(i doubt this is a capability Stefan posses)"theres a window i am going to push him through it and kill him". I doubt very much he actually meant it.

The sentence is right, but isnt this the law contradicting itself.
Numerous people have one punched killed someone, most get commited of manslaughter at best, is this murder ? am i wrong ? can someone explain ?

theDoctor
NSW, 5786 posts
22 Jun 2012 3:37PM
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doggie said...

evlPanda said...

Should we start our own bikie gang?

WHAT SHALL WE CALL IT?


HARD SALT

SALT MACHINE

SALT ANGELS

SALTINOS

HELLS OCEAN

Wow that wasnt easy


The sea men

....oh wait

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
22 Jun 2012 1:50PM
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the gibbo said...

I dont sympathise with Shidt at all......but, doesnt murder have to be pre-meditated in some way to convict.

Most of us would have hit/pushed someone in anger at some stage in our life without meaning to kill/murder them. I am sure this bloke wouldnt have thought(i doubt this is a capability Stefan posses)"theres a window i am going to push him through it and kill him". I doubt very much he actually meant it.

The sentence is right, but isnt this the law contradicting itself.
Numerous people have one punched killed someone, most get commited of manslaughter at best, is this murder ? am i wrong ? can someone explain ?


Imo and I wasnt there, it sounds like he wanted to push him through the window or hurt him as he pushed him against it. At the end of the day he wanted to hurt the victim.

stamp
QLD, 2800 posts
22 Jun 2012 4:20PM
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from the wa crim code-

murder: s279(1) If a person unlawfully kills another person and —
(b) the person intends to cause a bodily injury of such a nature as to endanger, or be likely to endanger, the life of the person killed or another person.



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