Had trouble today uploading onto Seabreeze, woth photos from the mobile phone...
On Home Broadband WiFi;
1) Tried to upload 22 photos in 1 hit... Seemed to work, 20 minutes in, at the end, seemed to stop...
2) Tried doing just 5 photos or so... didn't complete the task...
3) Tried just 1 photo, still didn't work, but took 30 seconds to upload...
Took the dog for a 10 minute walk, hooked up with the lovely LTE 4G Network;
4) Tried just 1 photo... uploaded in about 3 seconds... then uploaded other pics, plus picture batches... Uploaded in 4 large photos (from iPhone5) in about 12 seconds via LTE/4G...
Motto of the Story - LTE/4G Mobile Network KICKS ARSE over Home Broadband!!
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Future 5G & 6G (etc... yet to be invented), will make a mockery of the NBN! Mark my words!
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Wireless is the future, not Hardwired NBN... (PS - You can quote me on that one! 
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Select to expand quoteSimondo said..
Had trouble today uploading onto Seabreeze, woth photos from the mobile phone...
On Home Broadband WiFi;
1) Tried to upload 22 photos in 1 hit... Seemed to work, 20 minutes in, at the end, seemed to stop...
2) Tried doing just 5 photos or so... didn't complete the task...
3) Tried just 1 photo, still didn't work, but took 30 seconds to upload...
Welcome to the failing copper network. If Abbott gets in, get used to it.Select to expand quote
Motto of the Story - LTE/4G Mobile Network KICKS ARSE over Home Broadband!!
Until someone builds a structure or grows a tree inbetween you and the tower.
Or anyone else wants to use it. 4G is fast because few people are connected. Wait untill it catches onSelect to expand quote
Future 5G & 6G (etc... yet to be invented), will make a mockery of the NBN! Mark my words!
And Physics, since they will need to invent a medium faster than light to beat fibre.....
Select to expand quoteSimondo said..
Motto of the Story - LTE/4G Mobile Network KICKS ARSE over Home Broadband!!
- and -
Future 5G & 6G (etc... yet to be invented), will make a mockery of the NBN! Mark my words!
- and -
Wireless is the future, not Hardwired NBN... (PS - You can quote me on that one! )
Look, the capacity of your LTE cell is indeed just over 90 Mbps (for some networks), and one may even experience this throughput if the following conditions are met:
* you are in the boresight of the sector antenna, and close to it (RSRP is high)
* you are the only user on the cell (PRB occupancy is low)
* the other sectors of the same site are empty (RSRQ is high and ICIC is not required)
So, enjoy it while you are one of the few active LTE users on your site.
As for 5G and 6G - there is this nasty thing called "Shannon's Limit" which pretty much dooms wireless for as long as we live in this universe with its crazy and occassionally incomprehensible laws of physics.
These two guys are on the money. However I hear ya. My ****ty copper connection 5000kays from the exchange is a gazillion times slower than my phone.
Turn my wifi off to watch videos. Go figure.
I went to start my car the other day to drive to the shops. The battery was flat and it wouldn't start, so I had to walk. I only live 10 minutes walk away from the shops, and I got there easily. It was a pleasant day.
Walking kicks arse! The car is doomed! No one will ever need a car, ever!
After the real bill comes in for the NBN, you high tech futurists will be blown away by the actual cost.
Who is going to pay for this modern miracle, its not just the subscription cost , someone has to pay
for the actual fibre. Don't worry its so fast all your jobs will be able to be done in India.
You can relax at home downloading real time movies, then watch them on your large screen
stimulus provided TV's. Money does not grow on trees or on NBN's
The real question my deluded Labor voters is, how logic is so difficult for you to grasp.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
I went to start my car the other day to drive to the shops. The battery was flat and it wouldn't start, so I had to walk. I only live 10 minutes walk away from the shops, and I got there easily. It was a pleasant day.
Walking kicks arse! The car is doomed! No one will ever need a car, ever!
Imagine if you had a bike!
Ever heard of ADSL2? I wasn't able to watch anything live on our home pc (what, with about 4 tech items in the house connected to our wifi - 2 phones, 1 tablet, 1 lappy, kid's ipod) and we kept going over our limit - so questioned about getting an upgrade. Extra $5 per month, same modem (ADSL2 wifi), 5x the download capacity on our previous plan & no delays.
Select to expand quoteboofta said..
After the real bill comes in for the NBN, you high tech futurists will be blown away by the actual cost.
Who is going to pay for this modern miracle, its not just the subscription cost , someone has to pay
for the actual fibre. Don't worry its so fast all your jobs will be able to be done in India.
You can relax at home downloading real time movies, then watch them on your large screen
stimulus provided TV's. Money does not grow on trees or on NBN's
The real question my deluded Labor voters is, how logic is so difficult for you to grasp.
Yeah, we don't need roads, schools, or airports either. Lets just sit back and hope we can keep things rolling along with yesterday's infrastructure.
Unless we are running fibre to houses in India, the NBN is not going to affect that. It may even make it more cost effective to do some roles more cheaply in Australia because they can be done in cheaper places to live.
I guess it would be simpler if we didn't stimulate the economy. By now we could all be sitting around knowing that it could only get better.
P.S. your last sentence/"question" doesn't make any sense.
Select to expand quoteUnhook3d said..
These two guys are on the money. However I hear ya. My ****ty copper connection 5000kays from the exchange is a gazillion times slower than my phone.
Turn my wifi off to watch videos. Go figure.
+1
Select to expand quoteevlPanda said..
And yes. Anyone that understands the basics of Data Communications can affirm that nothing is faster than light. Fibre To The Home (FTTH) is the absolute best way to do this. Light is fast. Very fast. The 100mbps promise is only a starting speed, similar to the old 28k modems. The technology at each end gets upgraded. The fibre/light can't go any faster in this universe.
Erm, Panda... Are you actually saying that copper and wireless are inferior to fibre, because the electromagnetic waves in twisted-pair copper and the photons in wireless travel at speeds that are much slower (for any practical purpose) than the speed of light? Or did you just mean that the NBN signals will travel faster than carrier pigeons or a chain of semaphores?
Select to expand quoted1 said..evlPanda said..
And yes. Anyone that understands the basics of Data Communications can affirm that nothing is faster than light. Fibre To The Home (FTTH) is the absolute best way to do this. Light is fast. Very fast. The 100mbps promise is only a starting speed, similar to the old 28k modems. The technology at each end gets upgraded. The fibre/light can't go any faster in this universe.
Erm, Panda... Are you actually saying that copper and wireless are inferior to fibre, because the electromagnetic waves in twisted-pair copper and the photons in wireless travel at speeds that are much slower (for any practical purpose) than the speed of light? Or did you just mean that the NBN signals will travel faster than carrier pigeons or a chain of semaphores?
Don't confuse the speed of electrons or radio waves with data speed. You still need the ones and zeros coming down the wire or through the air. Likewise, the providers will try to confuse you with megabits per second verses megabytes per second. Twenty years ago, I was installing fibre for the Telecom backbone from Brissie to Melbourne. Each bundle can carry hundreds of fibres, each fibre had a bandwidth of 13 Gigabytes. This can be basically seen as the fastest speed one user can operate at( if your modem can read and write at this speed) if you are sharing the bandwidth with others, your speed slows down.
Years ago I was stoked to get 3.2 kilobits per second, today I'm connected at 24 megabits per second. Tomorrow I might be connected at 100 megabits per second. Next year maybe one gigabits!
Most of the long runs of fibre are done, even across the ocean to the USA. It's just the little bit at the end that needs to be done from the exchange to your house. We are pushing the limit of data speed via copper to just about its absolute limit. Ever notice how it slows down when it rains?
Fibre is the future, finish the network we started twenty years ago before the government privatised one of the best telcos in the world.
Just did some more reading! The fastest data speed through one fibre currently stands at 26 terabits per second over 50 kilometres. Fastest through 12 cores currently is 1.05 Petabits over 52.4 kilometres. It will be many years until we reach the limit over fibre.
I've climbed the poles and dug out the old pits, there are still old twisted copper that is 50 years and older out there that they charge you $29 a month for. Copper costs more than fibre buy, the same to install.
I work with high speed wireless networks all the time. Sometimes we slow the connection speeds down as we see too many dropped packets.
Wireless systems are great but the more users you connect, the slower it gets. You can only pump so much crap through the air before it chokes up.
My understanding of the signal path is this:
adsl: You -> Copper Phone Line -> Exchange ... to "internet"
4g: You -> Mobile Tower -> Fibre -> Exchange ... to "internet"
NBN: You -> Fibre -> Exchange ... to "internet"
Is it correct that the phone towers require NBN/Fibre to achieve their speeds outside metro areas?
More internet speed/more government speeding .. I'd suggest similar to more roads/more government spending.
Both create benefits and have huge costs in creating & maintaining.
Both are only available to people who can afford to travel on them.
Both present opportunities to do new things & do old things anew.
Both will bring massive changes to society.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
I went to start my car the other day to drive to the shops. The battery was flat and it wouldn't start, so I had to walk. I only live 10 minutes walk away from the shops, and I got there easily. It was a pleasant day.
Walking kicks arse! The car is doomed! No one will ever need a car, ever!
This.
Select to expand quotelaurie said..
More internet speed/more government speeding .. I'd suggest similar to more roads/more government spending.
Both create benefits and have huge costs in creating & maintaining.
Both are only available to people who can afford to travel on them.
Both present opportunities to do new things & do old things anew.
Both will bring massive changes to society.
But the average road user never drives a truck from Sydney to Melbourne. They just do little runs to the school and the shops.
Why do we need a national highway system at all?
As much as I criticise NBN - try living in a town like mine, where you have one cell and use 3G for internet (wireless modem on PC, or using smart phone, whatever)
All good until population goes from 1000 to 10,000 for Christmas, Easter, (and every other excuse aussies use to have 3 days off work and get pissed.)
The internet becomes unusable. Cos losers on holiday still need to spend half the day looking at Facebook or something even when on holidays and the network just gets overloaded big time.
Then lightning fks it, power failures over 6hrs kill it cos the cell repeater dies, etc etc.
Give me a copper wire, fibre, spaghetti, I don't care but give me a wired connection to my house any day.
All this talk of "light speed" Tx is irrelevant. For a start electricity travels at near warp through copper. It's what happens at each end that counts. Dedicated Cu systems have been doing Gbit speeds for years. It's pretty much the standard for ethernet right now. Whilst I agree completely that fibre will be a better system, the question is, "How much better?" The cost will be several times more than Cu, and we already know that a sizable percentage of of the population won't see more than a tiny part of the benefit. Many won't be on fibre anyhow, but on terrestrial wireless or satellite, and don't try to tell me that either of those are satisfactory. I live in rural WA where I can't get any wired internet at all. Terrestrial wireless and satellite are absolutely hopeless - I've been there and done that!! At the mo I'm on 3g internet. How many of you spend $60.00/month for 8Gig download limit and think it's great, simply because it works?
Infrastructure like this will always be expensive in Oz because of the distances involved for a very limited user/tax base. It's all very well waxing and fawning over what places like Sth Korea have, but anyone could afford it with that population density. It's high time we learnt to live within our means.
We just signed up to new plan.
We get 500gb for $99 with phone (home office line).
We no longer have a home phone.
Live in Sydney.
Not sure how the hell we could use 500gb as last plan was 20gb and we only went over the limit twice and paid through the nose.
Maybe the cost could be offset by recycling the copper wire - we all know how exxy that stuff is!
Select to expand quotedinsdale said..
All this talk of "light speed" Tx is irrelevant. For a start electricity travels at near warp through copper. It's what happens at each end that counts. Dedicated Cu systems have been doing Gbit speeds for years. It's pretty much the standard for ethernet right now. Whilst I agree completely that fibre will be a better system, the question is, "How much better?" The cost will be several times more than Cu, and we already know that a sizable percentage of of the population won't see more than a tiny part of the benefit. Many won't be on fibre anyhow, but on terrestrial wireless or satellite, and don't try to tell me that either of those are satisfactory. I live in rural WA where I can't get any wired internet at all. Terrestrial wireless and satellite are absolutely hopeless - I've been there and done that!! At the mo I'm on 3g internet. How many of you spend $60.00/month for 8Gig download limit and think it's great, simply because it works?
Infrastructure like this will always be expensive in Oz because of the distances involved for a very limited user/tax base. It's all very well waxing and fawning over what places like Sth Korea have, but anyone could afford it with that population density. It's high time we learnt to live within our means.
I think I am with dinsdale on this one.
Do we really need fibre to every home, right now, whether the home will use it or not, at the public expense.
It seems a great idea, I just query the 'every home' bit.
Every exchange yes, every hosptial yes, everybody who wants it, OK. Everybody, ? not so sure.
I am not suggesting fibre to every node, that just seems stoopid, I am just suggesting an upgrade to fibre when it makes commercial sense to that particular property.
As for the roads and bridges analogy I see it more like :
do we need a decent road network everywhere : yes
do we need a dual lane highway from Sydney to Brisbane : yes
do we need an upgrade to the highway running into the Fremantle freight terminal : yes
do we need a dual lane highway to everybodies front door, whether they have a car or not : ? yes, but not for $36 billion of public money
do we need the sydney harbour bridge : yes
do we need a six lane single span iconic bridge over every watercourse on the Gibb River Road, the Canning Stock Route and every back road west of Nimbin : yes, but not for $36 billion of public money
Fibre anywhere it makes sense, not fibre everywhere at any cents
Select to expand quotelaurie said..
My understanding of the signal path is this:
adsl: You -> Copper Phone Line -> Exchange ... to "internet"
4g: You -> Mobile Tower -> Fibre -> Exchange ... to "internet"
NBN: You -> Fibre -> Exchange ... to "internet"
except that it isn't like that at all... it is more like:
adsl: you -> copper -> street cabinet (jumper) -> copper -> suburb cabinet (electrical) -> copper -> exchange (jumper) -> routers -> internet
4g: 1000 x you -> mutli-path reflections, buildings, fading -> tower -> fibre -> exchange (protocol router) -> routers -> internet
NBN: you -> fibre splice -> routers -> internet
...in other words, your fibre-modem in your house, effectively connects directly to the core-router, ie: you can see the light coming out the other end.
Select to expand quotemathew said..laurie said..except that it isn't like that at all... it is more like:
My understanding of the signal path is this:
adsl: You -> Copper Phone Line -> Exchange ... to "internet"
4g: You -> Mobile Tower -> Fibre -> Exchange ... to "internet"
NBN: You -> Fibre -> Exchange ... to "internet"
adsl: you -> copper -> street cabinet (jumper) -> copper -> suburb cabinet (electrical) -> copper -> exchange (jumper) -> routers -> internet
4g: 1000 x you -> mutli-path reflections, buildings, fading -> tower -> fibre -> exchange (protocol router) -> routers -> internet
NBN: you -> fibre splice -> routers -> internet
...in other words, your fibre-modem in your house, effectively connects directly to the core-router, ie: you can see the light coming out the other end.
You can see light come out of it? That must be exciting to the propellorheads.
and NBN is
YOU PAY -> fibre - YOU PAY - > gee whizz thingy ..... and geeks get a hard-on cos they can all play online games against kids in Mongolia more effectively..
meanwhile the 1% of businesses who genuinely need it, make 1% more profit
Phew. That is worth it. Let's tell the homeless, the oldies needing a hip replacement and my kid whose classroom floods EVERY time it rains, that the internet will save them. LOL
Select to expand quotedinsdale said..Whilst I agree completely that fibre will be a better system, the question is, "How much better?"
It's far better. I have had telstra cable, wireless, adsl2 and fibre and the fibre is like chalk and cheese compared to the others. It's exactly like comparing ADSL to dialup. I have a PS3, 2 phones and an ipad connected wireless and stuff like lag on PS3 isn't an issue. Makes me pretty handy in Battlefield 3
I'm on a 50/20Mbps connection with 200GB for $74.95pm with iinet. There fibre / nbn service guys are excellent. For an extra $4 i can go to a 100/40Mbps connection but i don't see any real point.
I'm capped at the moment and I'm still at 11Mbps but upload is less than 1Mbps
Fibre / NBN is a good thing for this country but i also think it's worth upgrading everything else that's been poorly designed in Australia.
Select to expand quoteMDSXR6T said..dinsdale said..Whilst I agree completely that fibre will be a better system, the question is, "How much better?"
It's far better. lag on PS3 isn't an issue. Makes me pretty handy in Battlefield 3.............. ............................
Fibre / NBN is a good thing for this country .................
and therein lies my argument - WHY?
Most people think of useless sh!t like that. In fact most pro NBN arguments online include things like that.
Seriously - I am yet to see how many businesses will make more money from fast internet?
All we hear is "oooh an architect could send 2gig files around at light speed" - yeah but it took him 2mths to draw it. The 20min saving in SEND time is irrelevant.
Again, it is mostly propellorheads getting excited about how they can undertake their HOBBY better 
