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Raw Milk

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Created by petermac33 > 9 months ago, 2 May 2011
petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
2 May 2011 9:21AM
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www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/


raw milk is bad yet the fluro water is good.

what's next a crackdown on organic farmers as they don't comply with Monsanto's belief that all seeds should be GM?

theDoctor
NSW, 5786 posts
2 May 2011 11:29AM
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its illegal in this country to sell raw milk as well

www.notmilk.com

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
2 May 2011 9:39AM
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i buy around 2 litres of raw milk per week.

tastes fantastic,is a superfood and my pussy Katie loves drinking the raw milk.

Pugwash
WA, 7733 posts
2 May 2011 9:45AM
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petermac33 said...

i buy around 2 litres of raw milk per week.

tastes fantastic,is a superfood and my pussy Katie loves drinking the raw milk.




felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
2 May 2011 9:47AM
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When I was a kid I used to drink gallons of it and it was still warm, from the cow or goat body temperature, I survived and I am a healthy guy! We are trying to hard to stay away from bacteria and it is becoming a phobia, just check how many ppl carry a little container of antibacterial soap around, even smearing it on after a hand shake!

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
2 May 2011 4:14PM
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Sad - We had a house cow (strange name for it as it was never allowed in the house) I used to wake up early just so I could be the 1st in our household to get the full-cream milk on my weetbix from the previous night's milking...then off down the paddock to do the morning milking.

Pretty soon it will be illegal to drink raw water! Again, the phobia with rainwater tanks - we used to scoop some pretty nasty things out of our tanks, but it never affected me (twitch).

I thought it would be more likely to be a food-handling issue - they didn't have the right papers...not that 'raw' milk is not good for you?!

Carantoc
WA, 7301 posts
2 May 2011 3:49PM
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petermac33 said...


raw milk is bad yet the fluro water is good.

what's next a crackdown on organic farmers as they don't comply with Monsanto's belief that all seeds should be GM?


Yes.

Milk that has had the pathogens destroyed before I drink it is good.

Do you also object to the state chlorinating water or is that OK ?

Are you Amish ? They have similar strange beliefs - anything pre-1840 is good, anything post 1840 is bad, doesn't matter what it is.

My sister lives int he middle of Amish country. Apparently they had a great debate not long ago. And decided that modern rubber tyres on their horsedrawn buggies were OK (presumably the steel rims were bad for their backs), but it would be un-Godly to put air in the tyres. So they all run around on flats.



doggie
WA, 15849 posts
2 May 2011 3:57PM
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Carantoc said...

petermac33 said...


raw milk is bad yet the fluro water is good.

what's next a crackdown on organic farmers as they don't comply with Monsanto's belief that all seeds should be GM?


Yes.

Milk that has had the pathogens destroyed before I drink it is good.

Do you also object to the state chlorinating water or is that OK ?

Are you Amish ? They have similar strange beliefs - anything pre-1840 is good, anything post 1840 is bad, doesn't matter what it is.

My sister lives int he middle of Amish country. Apparently they had a great debate not long ago. And decided that modern rubber tyres on their horsedrawn buggies were OK (presumably the steel rims were bad for their backs), but it would be un-Godly to put air in the tyres. So they all run around on flats.






There is air in them their tyres must be a witch

Skid
QLD, 1499 posts
2 May 2011 8:28PM
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The regulations (in oz) seem to prohibit the sale of raw milk for human consumption.
However this does not stop the sale of raw milk as "bath milk". So, if you prefer raw milk, check your local organic food shop for bath milk (often sold frozen as it does not keep as long as 'cooked' milk).

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
2 May 2011 8:43PM
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^^^ Sneaky!

But do you trust something that clearly wasn't sold for human consumption as a drink?

I'm not saying raw milk is inherently bad, it's what happens when you don't store / transport it properly that's bad...

Skid
QLD, 1499 posts
2 May 2011 9:02PM
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^^^ Personaly I don't seek out raw milk to drink (but have have had it a few times when I was dating a loonie hippie chick). I think that it would be nice if people have the freedom to choose raw milk if they want, however, it does not keep as long and there are some risks (Q-fever can be caught from raw milk). I see it as buyer beware; assess the risks either way and make your choice. But, and it's a big but, take responsibility for your decision and if you choose to drink raw milk, accept the risk (however small).

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
2 May 2011 7:08PM
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if you choose to drink milk that has went through a completely unatural process of being heated to high temperature then cooled,then please accept the risk[however small]

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
2 May 2011 9:22PM
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Skid said...

I think that it would be nice if people have the freedom to choose raw milk if they want, however, it does not keep as long and there are some risks (Q-fever can be caught from raw milk). I see it as buyer beware; assess the risks either way and make your choice. But, and it's a big but, take responsibility for your decision and if you choose to drink raw milk, accept the risk (however small).


I hear ya - no disagreement from me there.

But "milk bath" may be a slightly riskier proposition than raw milk that was always destined for human consumption.

Skid
QLD, 1499 posts
2 May 2011 9:30PM
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^^^ Yes. You are indeed right. There are risks on both sides of this decision (as there are with most).
I am pro choice on this issue (even if I am guilty of following the masses and buying the milk that the regulators would have us buy). That is why I posted about the bath milk.
Btw, I use the term "loonie hippy chick" with affection. This particular hippie taught me a few things that I am grateful for. I am often considered a hippie by other people (except, perhaps real hippies).
edit: this post was in answer to Petermac33

FormulaNova
WA, 15109 posts
2 May 2011 8:11PM
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Carantoc said...

<snip>

Are you Amish ? They have similar strange beliefs - anything pre-1840 is good, anything post 1840 is bad, doesn't matter what it is.

My sister lives int he middle of Amish country. Apparently they had a great debate not long ago. And decided that modern rubber tyres on their horsedrawn buggies were OK (presumably the steel rims were bad for their backs), but it would be un-Godly to put air in the tyres. So they all run around on flats.




I know this is completely off topic, but are they running them flat because they are car tyres and with air they are too hard for a horse drawn buggy, and without air they are softer? Inflated car tyres are pretty tough unless you are carrying a tonne or two.

Just a thought.

Carantoc
WA, 7301 posts
2 May 2011 9:15PM
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^^ Maybe.

But that would be a logical reason.

They also regard lawn mowers as un-Godly, but whipper-snippers are OK.

So when I go visit my sister you see Amish people whipper-snippering big front lawns on a weekend. Looks weird using a little whipper-snipper to mow a lawn, and whats the difference really ?

Having said that they are very nice people to talk to and their neighbourhoods are very clean and pretty, with no crime and they do sell some very nice produce at the markets.

And their horse-drawn buggies are an awful lot better than the giant F250s and other vehicles the rest of the Yanks and Canadians roar past them in.

And, they are probably happier than the average north american, so on that basis alone they are probably right in their beliefs.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
3 May 2011 2:32PM
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Oh come on. This is about the sale of raw milk. Nobody is going to stop you sucking on a cow teat if you want to.

Carantoc said...
They also regard lawn mowers as un-Godly, but whipper-snippers are OK.

So when I go visit my sister you see Amish people whipper-snippering big front lawns on a weekend. Looks weird using a little whipper-snipper to mow a lawn, and whats the difference really ?


Also the Amish are right into Genetically Modified crops:
www.google.com.au/search?rlz=1C1CHKB_en-GBAU427AU427&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=amish+gm&gws_rd=ssl

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
3 May 2011 1:06PM
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Carantoc said...

^^ Maybe.

But that would be a logical reason.

They also regard lawn mowers as un-Godly, but whipper-snippers are OK.

So when I go visit my sister you see Amish people whipper-snippering big front lawns on a weekend. Looks weird using a little whipper-snipper to mow a lawn, and whats the difference really ?

Having said that they are very nice people to talk to and their neighbourhoods are very clean and pretty, with no crime and they do sell some very nice produce at the markets.

And their horse-drawn buggies are an awful lot better than the giant F250s and other vehicles the rest of the Yanks and Canadians roar past them in.

And, they are probably happier than the average north american, so on that basis alone they are probably right in their beliefs.



Carantoc +1

japie
NSW, 7146 posts
3 May 2011 8:17PM
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I worked for a short while just recently collecting organic produce from Flemington in Sydderly. One of the products was Cleopatras Bath Milk.

It is an interesting situation. There will always be some risk with unprocessed milk but if it is coming from an organic dairy the level of hygiene is likely to be significantly better than a run of the mill commercial dairy where pasteurisation is highly desireable owing to the pathogen overloads.

When milk is processed it is not only pasteurised but homogenised, which is why you no longer get cream settling at the top of the container.

It is in the financial interests of the large producers to prevent people from buying from alternative sources and one of the ways in which they do so is to influence restrictions. If the restrictions call for costly plant then it eliminates the small players automatically and hey presto, you have Cleopatras Bath Milk!

FormulaNova
WA, 15109 posts
3 May 2011 7:15PM
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Sometimes they even do it to protect the public health.

Just today there was a story about a person catering for her local group and passing on salmonella in the food. She was fined heavily, even though she wasn't running a business.

I think you could easily argue that some sort of control is needed for food production.

Mark _australia
WA, 23726 posts
3 May 2011 8:17PM
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Milk is the fastest thing in the world

.....cos it is pasteurised before you see it


japie
NSW, 7146 posts
3 May 2011 10:22PM
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FormulaNova said...

Sometimes they even do it to protect the public health.

Just today there was a story about a person catering for her local group and passing on salmonella in the food. She was fined heavily, even though she wasn't running a business.

I think you could easily argue that some sort of control is needed for food production.




The whole concept was for public health.

In the case of milk, pasteurisation extends the shelf life by reducing the bacterial load at the same time as making it free of nasties that could hurt us. These nasties always exist in higher loads in an unhygienic environment.

So when a bloke is milking 400 cows that have trudged in from a feedlot with their teats swinging around in their own sh!t has a safety net for not taking time to look at for mastitis etc..

Whereas the bloke who is milking the house cow by hand will notice immediatley if there is a problem. In the unlikely event that he has let things slip, if he gets a gutfull of titty pus it is his own fault.

So yes you have to regulate because people cut corners, which is a bit sad.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
4 May 2011 12:36PM
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Have we convinced Peter it's not a conspiracy?

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
4 May 2011 10:46AM
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Mark _australia said...

Milk is the fastest thing in the world

.....cos it is pasteurised before you see it




Nope.... diahrea is!
...cause it is in your pants before you even think about it!

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
4 May 2011 6:23PM
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felixdcat said...
Nope.... diahrea is!
...cause it is in your pants before you even think about it!


They've recently discovered that diarrhoea is hereditary.
It runs in your jeans (genes).



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