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Unhealthy school dinners

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Created by petermac33 > 9 months ago, 13 May 2012
petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
13 May 2012 9:28PM
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This is a disgrace,would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

Time spent supporting your footy team,would be better spent on gaining knowledge of the consequences of eating this crap.


Mark _australia
WA, 23711 posts
13 May 2012 9:29PM
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Don't recall ever having dinner at school, even when in detention I was out by about 5pm

SP
10982 posts
14 May 2012 7:42AM
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Don't get what it has to do with footy, but guess it wouldn't be a post in the general forum if it didn't attack someone's belief, colour, sexuality and now it seems hobbies... what a bunch of Sad ****s

So instead of watching footy or something I should trawl the net on YouTube for clips then start conservations of ignorance on a weather forum....

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
14 May 2012 10:29AM
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petermac33 said...

This is a disgrace,would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

Time spent supporting your footy team,would be better spent on gaining knowledge of the consequences of eating this crap.



You're getting worse PM33 - not sure if you realised...that is AMERICA!!! Also, it was on the telly-box about 2 years ago, so not new (maybe you should watch telly more so you don't post old news?) and was set in a location chosen as the "most obese city in the WORLD", not just your everyday city.

Not sure about all school around Aus, but our kids can't take lollies or chocolate to school, their lunchboxes require 3 pieces of fruit and "a healthy lunch & snacks". They are even rewarded weekly in their newsletter via a review from a fellow student for who has the "healthiest lunch".

Again...an 'irrelevant' post. And I probably took the bait.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
14 May 2012 9:02AM
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Certainly not an irrelevant post if you are planning on moving to the U.S or U.K with your kids,actually it's a necessary post.

By the size of some of the kids i see,would have to believe they're not putting much fruit+ veg in their gob at school or at home.

Another impressive piece of denial by the man who still firmly believes fire can melt steel,resulting in symmetrical free-fall collapse of three of the largest superstructures ever built!

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
14 May 2012 12:09PM
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petermac33 said...

Certainly not an irrelevant post if you are planning on moving to the U.S or U.K with your kids,actually it's a necessary post.


Fair call...not sure how many 'breeze members plan on moving soon? Irrelevant may be a strong word, but "neccessary"? I doubt it.


Another impressive piece of denial by the man who still firmly believes fire can melt steel,resulting in symmetrical free-fall collapse of three of the largest superstructures ever built!


Is that one aimed at me I don't recall stating anything like that but feel free to spend some time searching for a quote from me - might give you a break from scanning youtube vids & surfing conspiracy-theorist websites for dated content. I've no-doubt posted some contradicting comments over the years, so is possible, but thought my only comment on that subject was that it was "not relevant to me" personally.

I agree that what was on the vid is a discrace & understand what Jamie Oliver is trying to do, and applaud him for it...I just don't get your point re; not supporting your footy team in lieu of researching healthy foods? Please feel free to do the research for the rest of us & post it here though...that will allow me to relax with a beer & meat(?) pie whilst I watch the footy.

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
14 May 2012 10:17AM
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pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
14 May 2012 1:05PM
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I used to eat a sticky bun and a bottle of fizzy drink, all from the skool canteen, and I'm ok.

boofy
NSW, 2110 posts
14 May 2012 3:29PM
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Buttered twistie rolls and frozen chocolate mooves epic school lunch I dont think I could eat sthomething Jamie Oliver cooked if he was thpeaking while he wath cooking Herpes,HepC cooties sprayed over everything

Razzonater
2224 posts
14 May 2012 2:10PM
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I'm equally as worried about flouride in water as the food my kids eat particularly preservitives

Mark _australia
WA, 23711 posts
14 May 2012 2:17PM
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petermac33 said...

Another impressive piece of denial by the man who still firmly believes fire can melt steel,resulting in symmetrical free-fall collapse of three of the largest superstructures ever built!



Another impressive example of playing the man not the ball (seeing as though this is the unrelated footy analogy thread )

BTW Pete, ever heard of blacksmiths?

poor relative
WA, 9106 posts
14 May 2012 2:49PM
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I'm more concerned about drug using, homosexual, ethnic, refugee cyclists wearing lycra influencing my kids than school dinners.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
14 May 2012 6:29PM
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I recon fire can melt steel am I mistaken ?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
14 May 2012 4:32PM
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SandS said...

I recon fire can melt steel am I mistaken ?


At what temp?

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
14 May 2012 5:13PM
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School lunches to the 9/11 conspiracy in 12 posts, does that set a new record??

The avgas/kerosene fire doesn't need to melt the steel to affect its structural integrity, it only needs to soften it a tiny bit. Not counting the steel that was damaged in the initial impact, or the fire retardant insulation on the steel also being ripped off in the initial impact, or that what ever insulation was left has a fire rating measured in hours, not days or weeks.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
14 May 2012 5:20PM
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Chris6791 said...

School lunches to the 9/11 conspiracy in 12 posts, does that set a new record??

The avgas/kerosene fire doesn't need to melt the steel to affect its structural integrity, it only needs to soften it a tiny bit. Not counting the steel that was damaged in the initial impact, or the fire retardant insulation on the steel also being ripped off in the initial impact, or that what ever insulation was left has a fire rating measured in hours, not days or weeks.




But the argument is what temp the steel will bend, not what it will melt at.
We are talking food yea?

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
14 May 2012 5:25PM
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I just grabbed an old steel coat hanger and bent it... wait for it... at room temperature.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
14 May 2012 5:34PM
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Chris6791 said...

I just grabbed an old steel coat hanger and bent it... wait for it... at room temperature.


Try RSJ

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
14 May 2012 5:37PM
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Since we're talking about skool dinners, I think cheese melts at a relatively low temperature.
Was there any cheese in the WTC?

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
14 May 2012 9:20PM
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pweedas said...

Since we're talking about skool dinners, I think cheese melts at a relatively low temperature.
Was there any cheese in the WTC?


Maybe on a platter with some crackers. Hope it was low-fat cheese...or goat cheese...or soy cheese?!

echunda
VIC, 765 posts
14 May 2012 9:25PM
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petermac33 said...

This is a disgrace,would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

Time spent supporting your footy team,would be better spent on gaining knowledge of the consequences of eating this crap.




Peter,

Why do you post things like these in a SEABREEZE forum?

How or why is what AMERICAN kids eat relevant to Australian schools which do not provide free meals to it's students.

Please ...

Take your repeated veiw on food and it's by products and post into another forum.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
14 May 2012 7:46PM
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Chris6791 said...
The avgas/kerosene fire doesn't need to melt the steel to affect its structural integrity, it only needs to soften it a tiny bit. Not counting the steel that was damaged in the initial impact, or the fire retardant insulation on the steel also being ripped off in the initial impact, or that what ever insulation was left has a fire rating measured in hours, not days or weeks.

At great personal risk, I must correct this. Kero simply doesn't burn hot enough in air. In fact JetA1/AVTUR burns just marginally cooler than kero. The 2 are very slightly different, but each suitable for modern jet engines. Btw, diesel is the RAAF's 1st alternative fuel under operational conditions when the real stuff isn't available. I've no idea how hot you could get it with a specially designed nozzle and high pressure oxygen, but no ordinary kero/AVTUR fire will ever melt steel - even garden variety mild steel..


SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
14 May 2012 10:27PM
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doggie said...

SandS said...

I recon fire can melt steel am I mistaken ?


At what temp?


1536. Degrees Celsius

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
15 May 2012 12:40AM
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dinsdale said...

Chris6791 said...
The avgas/kerosene fire doesn't need to melt the steel to affect its structural integrity, it only needs to soften it a tiny bit. Not counting the steel that was damaged in the initial impact, or the fire retardant insulation on the steel also being ripped off in the initial impact, or that what ever insulation was left has a fire rating measured in hours, not days or weeks.

At great personal risk, I must correct this. Kero simply doesn't burn hot enough in air. In fact JetA1/AVTUR burns just marginally cooler than kero. The 2 are very slightly different, but each suitable for modern jet engines. Btw, diesel is the RAAF's 1st alternative fuel under operational conditions when the real stuff isn't available. I've no idea how hot you could get it with a specially designed nozzle and high pressure oxygen, but no ordinary kero/AVTUR fire will ever melt steel - even garden variety mild steel..



Yes but jetA1/Avtur primed with mini nukes combusts at a delta t of 1537 degrees Celcius.
Minus one degree for the fact that the impact point was 564 feet above mean sea level, plus half a degree due to an atmospheric pressure of 1023mb which was high for that time of year, gives a combustion temperature of 1536.5 degrees celcius,
which is a whole half degree above the required 1536 degree melting point of steel.
It's the mini-nukes that make the difference and any day now pm33 is going to tell us all where they come from and how come that's the only time in recorded history when they have ever been used. (or even heard of).

In any case, min-nukes are not approved for use in skool canteens and are not an approved method for melting cheese in cheese samwiches.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
15 May 2012 1:05AM
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Going to make a cup of coffee on my gas stove.....damn.... forgot....56 minutes later pot still burning....surprise.... the aluminium pot hasn't turned into a pool of molten metal.


www.henrymakow.com/911_-_nukes_caused_this_devast.html

Mark _australia
WA, 23711 posts
15 May 2012 7:15AM
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^^^^ yeah Pete

Cos a pot with water in it, and in an open environment where heat can easily be lost to the surrounds (ie: not enclosed) is so similar to burning synthetics and AVTUR in an enclosed environment

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
15 May 2012 9:31AM
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Chris6791 said...

...fire doesn't need to melt the steel to affect its structural integrity, it only needs to soften it


^^^ Correct - combined with the lack of (as documented) fire-proofing on the steel members and the increasing heat due to the burning of the interior of the building in the enclosed space...add to that the initial impact on structural core members...and it would fall vertically level-by-level. Once the initial floor's structural integrity was lost, the impact of thousands of tonnes of concrete/steel hitting each floor would be equivalent to a giant sledge-hammer pounding down on it, at near "free-fall" speed.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
15 May 2012 8:18AM
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Task for today Sailhack/Mark.

Go build yourself a little fire with kerosene,curtains,furniture etc,then throw in an old aluminium pot. Keep fire burning for 56 minutes.

Don't believe you will find a small pool of molten metal.

On second thoughts,better not,ignorance is indeed bliss.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
15 May 2012 10:07AM
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Any firefighters or structural engineers on here? I don't know about the eastern states but over here in WA we love the tilt-up concrete slab construction for commercial/industrial. Essentially concrete slabs for walls tied together with steel roof members. Part of the spinoff from that method is that in a fire the roof members will eventually soften and collapse down, at the same time they are still fixed to he top of the walls, this pulls the wall panels inwards and preventing them from collapsing outward onto fire fighters. Given enough time and no effort to extinguish A fire the WTC could potentially have collapsed under a normal structural fire.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
15 May 2012 12:10PM
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petermac33 said...

Task for today Sailhack/Mark.

Go build yourself a little fire with kerosene,curtains,furniture etc,then throw in an old aluminium pot. Keep fire burning for 56 minutes.

Don't believe you will find a small pool of molten metal.

On second thoughts,better not,ignorance is indeed bliss.


I'll bite...if I build that fire in an enclosed environment, use a steel truss-style support (not a 'steel' pot as I don't think the WTC was built with a cylindrical solid core), dent the support using a sufficient impact, add some highly flammable materials that would be similar to that found in an office - plastics, furnishings etc. and place the heat source around it so that the steel structure is exposed to the heat...then sit a concrete stormwater-pit lid on it...is it a fair chance it will collapse if I get the heat up enough? If not, it still doesn't sway me - as it's not a fair representation, but probably closer than a boiling pot.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
15 May 2012 12:16PM
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Chris6791 said...

Any firefighters or structural engineers on here? I don't know about the eastern states but over here in WA we love the tilt-up concrete slab construction for commercial/industrial. Essentially concrete slabs for walls tied together with steel roof members. Part of the spinoff from that method is that in a fire the roof members will eventually soften and collapse down, at the same time they are still fixed to he top of the walls, this pulls the wall panels inwards and preventing them from collapsing outward onto fire fighters. Given enough time and no effort to extinguish A fire the WTC could potentially have collapsed under a normal structural fire.


Tilt or 'precast' panel construction is designed to collapse inward upon either the roof structure failing (in exreme heat) or even shear failure at the roof-wall connection so that neighbouring properties aren't affected, also so firies can get closer without the risk of the panels toppling on them. I did learn something during my engineering Cert II course.



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