and that's with 20% ethanol
Australian Fresh orange juice @ $9
Lamb @ $50/kg
Pork @ $30/kg
Milk @ $5/ltr
FedEx/DHL/Aust Post will double their fees
Air travel cost and security will double
Bus/Train travel up 50%
Everything could easily double, if the West starts a war with Iran.
The Iranians have done nothing illegal.
The Israeli's want a war with Iran, because they want to be the only nuclear power in the middle east.
Israel has a very disproportionate influence on the west through media, political and economic interests.
The Israeli's and western secret service agents routinely murder Iranians, conduct cyber attacks, steal their money, cripple their infrastructure, sanction them, foment uprisings and give rebel groups arms... imagine the Indonesians giving RPG's to Aborigines, to kill Aus police officers.
When the US and CCCP had nuclear weapons they didn't and still don't dare fire at each other (MAD).
The Israeli's have nothing to fear, cos they're armed to the teeth.
The Iranians have been attached, invaded, had dictators imposed on them, and yet they haven't been an aggressor since the Persian empire (5th century).
Even in the worse case scenario and some how they manage to construct a Uranium fissile bomb, the yield would be low and they would have to be completely insane to use it as they would be assured complete destruction.
If the target was Israel or another middle east country... well they'd still be around.
Israel could have full diplomatic relations with all middle eastern countries if they respected their 1967 boarders.
The bottom line is the US wants oil contracts, and control over the Earth's energy and to preserve it's reserve currency status, Israel wants to be the only nuclear power so it can do whatever it wants.
Iran wants to develop so it can prove a better standard of living, be secure and the leading middle eastern country.
If the US/Israel get their war it's going to cost us, yes you too, a lot with no possible benefit.
How will it cost us? Everything that requires oil, will jump in price. The Iranians only have 1 card to play... and that's do everything possible to make the war too expensive.
The Russian's, and other oil exporting countries want this too, cos they sell oil.
Venezuela will most likely agree to limit oil exports to support Iran.
Nigeria is almost in civil war and cutting it's oil is easy.
Energy companies love it when oil goes up.
Sure the puppet governments of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain & Co. support the US, but their citizens don't, and this could start another uprising inflicting a double whammy on prices, even if Iran doesn't target their installations.
Not to mention all the injuries, suffering and death any conflict will inflict on a generally peaceful nation.
So if you really don't relish the thought of walking with your wind sport gear down to your spot, I would seriously be against any war.
Peace.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis
Interesting .The piccy of uncle sam with the hook in his mouth should be replaced with a broken down junkie with a t shirt saying 'The west " on it with a syringe of oil hanging out of his arm .Gen Y and I have no recollection of or knowledge of the 1973 oil crisis nor would they care .We are heading for a train wreck .
people scoff at me for having an electric motor on my bicycle ,I use it for just about all of my personal transport and I do all of the shopping for my cafe on it I fill my car up once a month .Who am i to lecture tho becuse even doing that my consumption of oil and everything else far outstrips that of the average Indian or chinese pperson (or african).I t seems the only motorised form of personal transport that most people approve of are 2 tonne SUV's that you even drive to the dunny in , that guzzle cheap fuel and clog roads and that if one ventures out on a bicycle one must look like cadel evans and travel in a pack and sipp coffee somewhere along the ride
Middle eastern wars aside oil is a finite resourse controlled by a few .The Chinese and Indians aspire to a western lifestyle and want more oil to fuel their desire .We are wasteful of it and treat it like there is no tomorrow and our whole economy depends on its regular and cheap supply .We are fools for kidding ourselves for so long that things would just go on forever as they have for the last 20 years.
What we need is the old eighties concept of MAD (mutual assurred destruction) It stopped the US from attacking the USSR for all those years and now stops them from attacking China.
Is it about weapons or is it religion, whose side is GOD on?
blah blah israel is bad blah blah
Yeah like they don't have arab countries doing all the stuff to them, that you say israel does to Iran.
Both sides are as bad as one another
Just like to cover a few of your points:
Pakistan is safe because they have wepons
There are plently of democracies in the middle east
A lot of the jews are from europe or america, not the middle east
My ancestors are from britain but that doesn't mean I own london
Rocket attacks are self defence and not terror
ireland finance global terror (IRA)
Obama is not anti israel, he is just not anit arab as his predecessors
If there was a country that realized just after WWII the war is bad and withdraw all funds to military, could be a real winner. Imagine what average European or any other developed country spent over that time on preparation to wars that never happened ?
All this money could be spend on education, heath, country infrastructure not on bombs.
Take a NZ as prime example that sent last military jet to the scrap yard. If not will be trailing Greece right now or even precede their financial catastrophe. Maybe Kiwi are defenseless but they don't have any enemies either (external at least) and that is the best policy.
Now that dinsdale has add his psychotic fit, and gone back to his Kibbutz.
The issue at stake for us is not Israel, it's at best a huge increase in the cost of living and at worst WWIII... for the sake of
Flysurfer, how much of that land was acquired, and how much was actually purchased?
I think the Israeli's tried a novel approach in that they actually bought (some of) the land off of the Palestinian owners.
Some of my ex-colleagues were working in that region and were suggesting that a lot of the local Palestinians actually liked the Israelis for the work and resources they brought to that area. Whenever there was an incident, the border access would close, and the Palestinians would be denied work, which they weren't happy with.
It is indeed a complex situation, and not as clear cut as it might otherwise seem.
I have a book at home that was suggesting that at the time of Israels inception a lot of the neighbouring arab states did not like the Palestinians. I wonder how true that was.
AHH! this is great..... Flysurfer, the NWO, Jew hating, conspiracy theory nutter..... versus.....Dinsdale.....Champion god botherer and moozy basher........This is gunna be bigger than Nadal v Djokovic!!!
Not if it gets locked first. Religion, politics and conspiracies all in one thread.
To lock or not to lock, that is the question... 
I thought the impending war with Iran was all to do with the petrodollar theory and if the US don't get the Iranians selling oil for USD again soon the USD is going to turn to crap, which means its all over for the US of A.
There is a good reason Obama brought the troops home from Iraq, so they can go and die in Iran instead.
If my country was surrounded by this many US military bases I would be a bit suspicious.
Palestinians are Palestinians when they do live there and Israelis are Israelis when they live there of just Jews if live anywhere else.
If they both immigrate to US or Australia for example they became simply Australians and problem solved.
Scrap that all borders and issue one UN World Passports for all as Europe did for there part at least.
That could be fun to look at the World without borders.
I wonder how population arrangements looks in one year after opening ALL BORDERS ???
If all Muslims immigrate immediately to hated US ? Africans runs to Europe, whites back to Africa, Kiwis swim to Australia,
For sure I would stay where I am right now 
^ I agree with you about standing separate from the USA but that is not going to happen. Already Rudd has given full support for sanctions. By regretting it I did not mean that you were going to suffer physically, though who knows that may happen.
Surely though, if fuel does reach $2.69/ltr it will have a huge impact on you as will all the other repercussions. Would it not be a good thing then for you to at least understand why? If you don't then you may as well be a mushroom
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I don't want to be proof wrong by in my opinion time for conquer wars is over. Why to fight if you could buy everything in this free market economy ?
China could conquer whole Africa in one week if only wished to do so but instead they decided to buy it out for cash and shiny junk.
If US instead of spending trillion dollars on Arabs and oil wars spent its dollars on solar panels at 1$/Watt whole California desert could be covered with PV panels and oil rich countries becomes irrelevant.
That could be real irony. All Oil sheikhs starving like Somalia kings because nobody wants their dirty stinking hydrocarbons
If they still want to fight each other on Middle East - left them to own devices, not our problem anymore.
We could be drive electric cars for 50 years already instead of smoking guzzlers nobody look back.
At one aspect oil is still important. Oil is needed to run war games as I can't still imagine electric tanks that need recharging every 10 km and jet fighters running on solar panels 30 km/h.
Forget wars and oil becomes irrelevant ..
On picture above you could see how new generation electric bomber bends under heavy load carrying 100 MegaTon hydrogen bomb soon to be dropped on enemy.
In this new humanitarian wars enemy has a plenty warning to:
a) give up, b) build a bunker, c) emigrate whole country - as electric bomber travelling 35 km/h and up winds sometimes needs a few months to cross the ocean.
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