Where's the Assange thread?

there should be one...

Nebs,
You must be getting worried that should something happen to Julien then Wikileaks will release the doomsday file with all those GPSTC confidential cables between you and Hardie.

He is placing the big "A" in ustralia, creating more good vibes

Than OPRAH ???. He must be supported by us all. or we go under.

I have let it go until now in case the New Seabreeze Order deemed that any talk of Wikileaks sailed close to conspiracy. However there seems to be a fair bit of support for what they are trying to achieve.

I am still "out" as to whether there is some nefarious organisation and objective behind Wikilieaks.

That said I have put my name to this petition: http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/Wikileaks&id=1489

It seems to be a very worthy thing to do but that is obviously up to the individual.

Bl00dy disgraceful the way they have hung him out to dry.
Even if you don't like him or think he may have committed offences in some country/ies by releasing doc's he is still due the same support as any citizen.

Compare to David Hicks - he committed Australian Commonwealth offences by being a member of a terrorist group and fighting in an overseas war. He fought against our own blokes. The Govt screamed and shouted to bring him home from the Bay as it appeased some of the community and made them look good.

Compare to Schappelle Corby or the Bali Nine, or even Holly Deane-Johns in Thailand (?). All were walk up starts for the prosecution but we still gave assistance.

Assange has been dropped like a hot potato the Govt, which is awful given the precedent we have set in other cases.

It is difficult to conceive that exposing lies could be a crime and J.A. didn't do the exposing. He just spread the word.

The biggest expose is just what a bunch of sick pricks politicians are world wide.

Is that such an expose? Politics under the two party system increasingly appear to attract only certain types. These types rarely have attributes that are rarely seen as positive characteristics.

well for starters, David Hicks didn't commit australian commonwealth offences.

nor did he fight against our own 'blokes'.

what assistance have we given the bali 9, whose family members contacted authorities BEFORE the act and asked for for federal assistance in intervention before the crimes were commited.

our assistance amounted to dobbing them in.

everything else from that point on is nothing more than diplomatic lip service

same with Holly Dean-Johns.

our government is so far up the bums of the likes of u.s & isreal we mistake farts for fresh air.

countless other 'whistle blowers' have disappeared or have beed disappeared alot quicker and with a lot less media attention for leaking nothing compared to Julian Assange,

Dr David Kelly for example.

The alleged crime sounds a bit strange and it does not really exist in Australian law. He isn't being charged for rape or assault or anything violent like that. One of the main legal arguments his lawyers will make against extradition is that the crime he is alleged to have committed does not exist in British law.

probably more like a point of view between hero and villain...

Gillard is a US puppet, if it was any other Australian on charges , she would be making all sorts of diplomatic noises. she was installed on false pretences , and now she is showing her true colours , she should should resign!

Assange lawyer rips rape 'lies'
By DON KAPLAN

Last Updated: 6:25 AM, December 13, 2010

Posted: 2:04 AM, December 13, 2010

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More Print Julian Assange is innocent of rape and molestation charges, according to a Swedish sex-crimes lawyer who says secret police documents prove Assange's accusers lied about being coerced into sex with the WikiLeaks mastermind.

Bjorn Hurtig, who's representing Assange in Sweden, where the charges were filed, claims to have seen the papers and says they show the women had "hidden agendas."

As for WikiLeaks, its latest expos? could imperil a key US military supply route to Afghanistan.

State Department cables describe Uzbekistan as a nightmarish world of "rampant corruption," organized crime, torture and forced labor -- and say US diplomats coddle President Islam Karimov in return for his not interfering with the supply line.




Read more: nypost.com/2010/12/13/assange-lawyer-rips-rape-lies/



i think this thing might get confusing as in oj simpson confusing......

Who is saying it is OK to hack into private conversation and broadcast it ?

I think the point with Wikileaks is they broadcast correspondence between governments.

Governments are established by the people to govern on behalf of the people.
I am one of the people, I even pay my taxes to society so I get to chose how I am governed.

I want to be governed in an open, honest and moral manner. If my governemnt is acting immorally, lying or failing to act then I want to know about it and I want it to stop.

There is no personnel correspondence when you are paid by the people to govern on behalf of the people. That principal was set in stone at Runneymead with the signing of the Magna Carter.



Now, having said all that, publishing correspondence between diplomnatic missions is not really very interesting. It shows the opinions of individuals who are generally very small fish in the wheels of governement and whose opinion is neither policy nor necessarily accepted as true, valid or even worthwhile by anyone else.

Wikileaks has the opportunity to whistleblow like nobody ever has before. But they have achieved nothing in 5 years.

Look at all the whistleblowers of recent times who have influenced world affairs - it has not been Julian Assange. It has been the free press and mass media (whom several people here condem at the expense of Wikileaks). Start adding up what has been broken in the mass media that has had signifcant effect :
Intern sucks off president
British MPs rort expenses
Pakistani cricketers take bribes
even Julian Assagne arrested on rape charges. Never got that story from Wikileaks before it was in the mass media !!

The world needs Wikileaks, but the world needs Wikileaks to whistleblow not sensationalise for maximum self publicity, there are plenty of other people that do that.

They don't hack into anything. If you haven't understood that then you've missed the point. They publish material that other people (whistleblowers) give them. They guarantee not to tell anyone who gave them that material and to make it extremely difficult to enable the source to be traced.

That's pretty much the same deal that the rest of the media do by the way (with varying guarantee/success in the divulging department). You may have noticed for instance that the Sydney Morning Herald has published a large tranche of the Wikileaks diplomatic cables as "a public service" and are promising to publish more.

Its a moral minefield that I dont think there is a hard and fast solution to
Certainly I think Manning is wrong if he is guilty of betraying trust
Assange? Well he is assuming that he is totally right in spreading the betrayed trust
which if he hadnt done so would not be betrayed trust hmmmm