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Wireless-G to Wireless-N upgrade

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Created by frant > 9 months ago, 30 Jan 2010
frant
VIC, 1230 posts
30 Jan 2010 1:49PM
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Am trying to upgrade from Netgear Wireless-G to Netgear Wireless-N router to increase cover to shed and external living areas...maybe even down to the shore of Connewarre so that we can download our GPS results via laptops.
I can't seem to install the new system software over the old. The young lass at the computer store told me that I should uninstall the old software first. Trouble is I can't find any Netgear programs to uninstall. Anyone have an idea how to find and uninstall or how to install the new router.

General
WA, 471 posts
30 Jan 2010 11:02AM
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when i get a new router, i just ring up my service provider tell them the model number and then they run me through the configuration and its up and running in no time

maxm
NSW, 864 posts
30 Jan 2010 2:18PM
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frant said...

Am trying to upgrade from Netgear Wireless-G to Netgear Wireless-N router to increase cover to shed and external living areas...maybe even down to the shore of Connewarre so that we can download our GPS results via laptops.
I can't seem to install the new system software over the old. The young lass at the computer store told me that I should uninstall the old software first. Trouble is I can't find any Netgear programs to uninstall. Anyone have an idea how to find and uninstall or how to install the new router.


What error do you get when you try to install the new software? And what are you installing onto? Windows/XP? Vista?

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
30 Jan 2010 2:23PM
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Windows XP. Follow the setup Smartwizard. but it fails to connect to the internet (Netgear Site) and therefore cant proceed from there.

FormulaNova
WA, 15111 posts
30 Jan 2010 11:25AM
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frant said...

Am trying to upgrade from Netgear Wireless-G to Netgear Wireless-N router to increase cover to shed and external living areas...maybe even down to the shore of Connewarre so that we can download our GPS results via laptops.
I can't seem to install the new system software over the old. The young lass at the computer store told me that I should uninstall the old software first. Trouble is I can't find any Netgear programs to uninstall. Anyone have an idea how to find and uninstall or how to install the new router.


One of the better ways to increase the coverage is to lower the speed. I am not up with the current wireless details, but generally when you lower it to 1 or 2mbps it is more reliable and goes further.

Often these modems are setup by logging into them using your web browser pointing at http://192.168.1.1 or 10.1.1.1 (or whatever the IP address is of your modem). Usually they default to one of these numbers. The default password for the admin user should be in the manual somewhere, usually towards the back and can often be 'admin' or 'password'.

maxm
NSW, 864 posts
30 Jan 2010 2:34PM
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Doesn't sound like a problem installing software then. Does sound more like a config problem in the router. That can get tricky depending on how your network is configured. Best bet is to compare the config settings on the old router to what is specified on the new one. Especially check DHCP settings.

Mark _australia
WA, 23743 posts
30 Jan 2010 2:39PM
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IF it does turn out to be remnants of the uninstalled software, download Revo Uninstaller, it uninstalls stuff properly and will find all those things you can't so far

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
30 Jan 2010 5:56PM
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Thanks for everyones advice. Used it all. Rang my ISP helpdesk first, they sent me the Netgear helpdesk and after a couple of hours chatting to India all is well. My limited computer and internet knowlege led me to accept that it was not software but was indeed a 192.168.1.20 type issue. Being hand led by a smart cookie certainly helps. For some inexplicable reason I just had to go back in after tweaking all the manual settings with assistance to reset everything back to auto. Stiil working as I send this from the remote laptop.
I reckon that I probably need Revo reconfigurator rather than Revo uninstaller there is so much trash on my computers but the flat calm is building into a promising seabreeze so I am out of here.

Haircut
QLD, 6491 posts
30 Jan 2010 8:47PM
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i have become a bit of a wifi network nerd/expert against my will over last couple of years, so if this is any help:

does your so called wireless router have a modem built in, or does it plug into a separate modem?

- Some netgear router/modem combos needed software installed

- Netgear router-only devices (no built in modem) often don't need any software installed to configure the device, and you only need to put something like the following into your web browser;


www.routerlogin.net

then the username and password promt which simply needs

username = admin

password = password

exactly as above

Then you'll be presented with many more confusing options ;)

The following might help too for choosing your configuration (in case you weren't aware of the following info)

2.5gig v 5gig

2.4gig being a lower frequency tends to travel further and is slightly less susceptible to objects being in the line of sight than 5gig, but there are potentially more consumer devices out there gobbling up the 2.4gig band (like your neighbors cordless phone) causing interference and network slowdowns. 5gig was introduced to try and eliminate the congestion. Most cheaper wifi stuff is only 2.4gig compatible

n versus g

2.4gig G tends to be more robust when it comes to transmission errors than 2.4gig N, including being less affected by objects being in the transmission path, but obviously slower than N under ideal conditions e.g. G 54 Mb/s versus N130 or N300 Mb/s

basically

If you need max speed and are in close range of the base station go 5gig N

If you need max range with pretty good speed go 2.4gig N

If you can live with slower speeds and need max range with consistency go 2.4gig G

The above is just my findings and opinion

FormulaNova
WA, 15111 posts
30 Jan 2010 7:42PM
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I made the effort and read some more on these standards. Supposedly 802.11n reaches twice the distance compared to 802.11b.

I wonder if it works that well in practice?

It would be good to hear your results Frant, to see what sort of range you can get.

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
30 Jan 2010 10:48PM
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Thanks Haircut, went the www.routerlogin. path hand held by the Indian wiz kid. Have set up the 2.4gig N. Have the desktop/router reasonably centrally within the house, but have a separate bungalow approx 15 metres away and another detached accomodation unit about 25 metres away. The bungalow had acceptable cover with the Netgear-G router but this dropped out in the further unit.
I also have an Optical Emission Spectrometer in a lab on the ground floor of the unit. The ARL OES software only operates in a Windows 95 environment so I have to keep an old 486 running in there. (About a $10k upgrade for the software into a Windows XP environment). Was hoping to hook the old girl onto the network so that I could email myself results, now I am not even sure if there is a USB port to hook a dongle into.

And then I want to get a wireless weather station setup down at the lake edge, this will probably line of site to the shed which will house a desktop as booster to hook into the house network from there via the net to wherever.

FormulaNova
WA, 15111 posts
30 Jan 2010 8:20PM
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frant said...

Was hoping to hook the old girl onto the network so that I could email myself results, now I am not even sure if there is a USB port to hook a dongle into.



Can you install a network card internally? It hasn't always been USB



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