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Do kite companies really care about your safety ?

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Created by waveslave > 9 months ago, 29 Dec 2009
waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
29 Dec 2009 8:15PM
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lol.
Maybe they are more focussed on teching-up the plumbing on the latest one-pump system.

daPole
WA, 87 posts
29 Dec 2009 8:36PM
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give examples and let's open a discussion :) I bet this will be a long one hahahaha!!





japie
NSW, 7146 posts
30 Dec 2009 12:23AM
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I would say that the question is irrelevant.

If in the case of an accident the kite company was found liable then they would most likely suffer a major financial burden. In which case they probably all do their utmost to avoid a problem but it is not because they go to bed at night worrying about our safety for our sakes alone!

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
30 Dec 2009 12:15AM
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if god had wanted us to be vegetarians

......why did he make animals out of meat?

Abesy
WA, 266 posts
29 Dec 2009 10:21PM
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they give u more depower than u will ever need, enough saftey systems to drive anyone nuts and even go to the extent of showing u how to fly the dam thing in there user manual.

but is that cause u expect them too or because they really care,
who really gives a S#$&!!!!! its there and if u feel so unsafe old man use them.....

happy1
WA, 45 posts
30 Dec 2009 6:18AM
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greenleader said...

if god had wanted us to be vegetarians

......why did he make animals out of meat?


Dear leader

Last time I checked i was made out of meat too does this mean I should eat myself or just other people?

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
30 Dec 2009 12:07PM
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waveslave said...

lol.
Maybe they are more focussed on teching-up the plumbing on the latest one-pump system.


Ok I will bite... :-)

Actually I wonder sometimes too.

Back in the dark ages at least when you threw a kite on to the safety it would fully depower. Nowadays I am not sure this is always the case.

Then again with so many people riding without safety leashes what does it matter?

daPole
WA, 87 posts
30 Dec 2009 9:29AM
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then again:
1. with so many people riding with board leashes and no helmets
2. with so many people standing on the crowded beach with the kite at 12 when it is >20 knt.
3. with so many people not respecting the right of way rules

I can go on haha :)

back in the days we all had more respect to the kite and its power, safety....and now..?

bobjaan
WA, 314 posts
30 Dec 2009 9:39AM
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People are responsible for accidents not kiting equipment.

The safety stuff is demanded by gumbies that can't control their kites properly, so the market gives them what they want at a charge.

RayQ
WA, 638 posts
30 Dec 2009 11:58AM
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waveslave said...

lol.
Maybe they are more focussed on teching-up the plumbing on the latest one-pump system.


You could have asked that question about 10 years ago when it had a lot of relevance and guys got hurt due to no or inadequate quick releases, although a few companies were still not up to scratch 2 years back. like the one on your kite maybe?
Havnt seen any bad systems on the latest kites

Ben De Jonge
WA, 819 posts
30 Dec 2009 12:03PM
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Yes they do, but they care like business people with a product, not like yo mamma cares.

KIT33R
NSW, 1716 posts
30 Dec 2009 5:56PM
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Any safety system you can invent will be over ridden by blind panic. People are still being lofted with fully depowerable kites because they pull in on the bar when in trouble. I can site a number of examples.

30 Dec 2009 6:18PM
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waveslave said...

lol.
Maybe they are more focussed on teching-up the plumbing on the latest one-pump system.


Troll
You don't even use a safety system, you just let it rip and become someone else's problem.

BigAirPaul
QLD, 140 posts
30 Dec 2009 6:31PM
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bobjaan said...

People are responsible for accidents not kiting equipment.

The safety stuff is demanded by gumbies that can't control their kites properly, so the market gives them what they want at a charge.


It reminds me of...

'Guns don't kill people; people kill people !!!'

We could say that safety developments have opened up accessibility to the sport, blah, blah, blah, etc. (ad nauseum)... But however you market all the whistles and bells of '187% Depower' and 'Lands itself in a Hurricane', people will still make bad decisions and have 'Accidents'...

By the way, most companies have a SERIOUS disclaimer on their equipment... ???

Beersy
TAS, 753 posts
30 Dec 2009 7:40PM
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^The one you peel off the valve before you inflate for the first time? "By removing this tag you are absolving us of responsibility for any accident that may cause injury or death".
My Mum bought me a kite for my birthday last year (Spoilt) took it out of the bag to check that it was all good (Smart lady), read that lable and almost returned the thing and told me I couldn't Kite anymore... I talked her round eventually

Macca Wollongong
NSW, 295 posts
30 Dec 2009 9:23PM
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how much more safety do YOU want?

Personally, When I go out, Im happy with the safety systems built into my kite to keep the public and then myself safe.

Kiting is not work, You dont need to be bubble wrapped in OH&S

daPole
WA, 87 posts
30 Dec 2009 8:06PM
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Macca, what keep peeps (you on the water as well:)) more safe is when you do have enough common sense! This is pretty much another way of saying "...people kill people."

I would say, you need that OH&S wrap around you. This wrap is simply a KB of what can happen when..a, b, c etc etc. This KB was passed quite nicely with IKO training and not I-am-your-mate-I'll-teach-you thing.

surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
30 Dec 2009 11:39PM
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greenleader said...

if god had wanted us to be vegetarians

......why did he make animals out of meat?


hmmmm... what about:

If milk goes bad if not refrigerated, does it go bad if the cow isnt refrigerated?

and

How fast do hotcakes sell?

Can anyone answer these brain twisting questions.


greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
31 Dec 2009 12:09AM
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it's more like,

if kite companies were worried about human safety they would discontinue making kites and concentrate on "KITEHERO" available on play station 3.


a kite company should re release the two line 9 metre that would sort out the pussies from the pussies.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
30 Dec 2009 10:14PM
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I agree.
It would be awesome if the only kites that existed still were 2 liners. The pussies would die or run off crying and only the sensible people that are worth having a chat with would be left kiting.

happy1
WA, 45 posts
31 Dec 2009 6:26AM
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surfingboye said...

greenleader said...

if god had wanted us to be vegetarians

......why did he make animals out of meat?


hmmmm... what about:

If milk goes bad if not refrigerated does it go bad if the cow isnt refrigerated?

and

How fast do hotcakes sell?

Can anyone answer these brain twisting questions.





Cows obviously have a fridge in them somewhere it keeps the milk and the meat fresh

The speed of hotcake sales is dependent on the speed of hotcake sales

There ya go stop twisting your brain

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
31 Dec 2009 10:07AM
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KIT33R said...

Any safety system you can invent will be over ridden by blind panic. People are still being lofted with fully depowerable kites because they pull in on the bar when in trouble. I can site a number of examples.


Spot on ... I loathe how people call a leash 'the safety" and the c loop release 'the quick release" what a "safety" is and a "quick" whatever is a kiter who has done their time flying in all sorts of conditions and is not a wannabe , has developed excellent kite skills and has some respect for the kite and the conditions and has rid themselves of the noobs natural reaction that when they make a mistake they lock up, freeze or pull the bar in and slam that puppy so hard that the earth shakes .

It amazes me how many people who call up for lessons just don't get it when I say that the focus of the first lesson in particular will be to develop kite skills and that before we continue to a large kitesurf kite it is in everyones best interests to develop auto skills on a trainer kite and that they can fly it by feel and fly aggresively and in control and that they will need to demonstrate this (and that they are free to borrow a trainer for a few days to do this or they can buy one and do it at their own leisure over a longer time period ). Many replies from the wannabe punk at the other end of the line "so I don't get to have a go at gettin goin on the water with a board in my first lesson" .MY reply NO....... BYE!!!

KIT33R
NSW, 1716 posts
31 Dec 2009 10:43AM
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^^^^^^ Too true. Saw two guys turn up at our surf beach the other day. One 12m kite and no board. I asked them how much experience they'd had using it and they said "none". I explained that a fence was only meters away from them and there were lots of kids and sunbathers on the beach and did they really want to attach themselves to something that could throw them over the fence and into the carpark. They took my point and did not unpack it. Disaster averted.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
31 Dec 2009 10:54AM
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Why would companies plough more money into development of additional safeties when people don't even bother to get to know their own ones?

Fact: Most riders don't bother to try out their safety before they use a new kite
Fact: Most riders don't practice using their safety so when it comes to an incident, they probably won't react anyway
Fact: Most riders don't give a **** about the safety and wouldn't buy a kite that had a better safety unless it offered improvements in free spinning options or something they see daily benefit from like that.

rloemker
NSW, 149 posts
31 Dec 2009 1:12PM
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Saffer said...

Why would companies plough more money into development of additional safeties when people don't even bother to get to know their own ones?

Fact: Most riders don't bother to try out their safety before they use a new kite
Fact: Most riders don't practice using their safety so when it comes to an incident, they probably won't react anyway
Fact: Most riders don't give a **** about the safety and wouldn't buy a kite that had a better safety unless it offered improvements in free spinning options or something they see daily benefit from like that.




It's the same mentality for cars: So many people would choose a 'good looking car' over a 'not so good looking car' that had better safety features. I have questioned many people over this and a majority have said they would prefer the better looking car than the safer one...weird if you ask me...

rloemker
NSW, 149 posts
31 Dec 2009 1:16PM
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Haha just read this in the LF 2008 kite manual. Word for word:

100 % DEPOWER SETUP
HAVOC, HIFI, SESSION

For 100% depower option for your leash, or to self land the
kite, or flag it out for any reason, your LF bar comes equipped
with outside line safety- oh **** handle.


In the diagramatics, the also refer to the HOLY SH...T front line ring and the HOLY SH...T back line ring

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
31 Dec 2009 1:49PM
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Most kite incidents and near misses I see are to do with one thing, Bridles. These "safer" kites have a nasty habit of deathlooping and the safety usually doesnt work after the kite has spun a couple of times under tension. Catch the web around one of your wing tips and hang on.

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
31 Dec 2009 7:11PM
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sir ROWDY said...

I agree.
It would be awesome if the only kites that existed still were 2 liners. The pussies would die or run off crying and only the sensible people that are worth having a chat with would be left kiting.


lol rowdy.

Harsh but true...



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