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Euros kite accident, learn your right of way!

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Created by dafrog > 9 months ago, 11 Sep 2012
dafrog
321 posts
11 Sep 2012 7:22PM
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Guys from the UK had a smashing session...

sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
11 Sep 2012 7:46PM
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What a f@#king retard... What the hell was the guy underneath him thinking? His kite is lower and thus must pass downwind. EVEN if he did get around the guy with the camera - then what??? His lines are still going to wrap the guy up.

That guy needs an axe through his windscreen or better a bullet to the head.
Luckily he didn't kill the poor bloke... Knocking him unconscious (and thus drowning) could have been pretty likely in that situation.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
11 Sep 2012 9:51PM
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sir ROWDY said...

What a f@#king retard... What the hell was the guy underneath him thinking? His kite is lower and thus must pass downwind. EVEN if he did get around the guy with the camera - then what??? His lines are still going to wrap the guy up.

That guy needs an axe through his windscreen or better a bullet to the head.
Luckily he didn't kill the poor bloke... Knocking him unconscious (and thus drowning) could have been pretty likely in that situation.


Some people are too stupid to kiteboard...

Luther
84 posts
11 Sep 2012 7:52PM
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one less Euro touro heading our way this summer, poor sod !

sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
11 Sep 2012 8:01PM
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Luther said...

one less Euro touro heading our way this summer, poor sod !


Nomination for SB POTY award???

Ellobuddha
NSW, 625 posts
11 Sep 2012 10:20PM
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Reminded me of some of the wankers kiting in Boracay.

dafrog
321 posts
11 Sep 2012 8:32PM
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Hmmm well those 2 are best mates and they defo had a think about it... you can see the thread down there from UK forum:

kiteboarder.co.uk/kitesurfing/it-happened-53634

eppo
WA, 9793 posts
11 Sep 2012 8:38PM
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Ouch! Did he just not see the guy?

dafrog
321 posts
11 Sep 2012 8:45PM
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nah he did, his mate started to go upwind when really close. If you freeze the video at 7secs you can see the dread in the eyes knowing what's coming...

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
11 Sep 2012 8:57PM
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i reckon his mate was knobbing his missus

INTHELOOP
QLD, 1855 posts
11 Sep 2012 11:45PM
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nice soundtrack pals

Triggerhappy
WA, 174 posts
11 Sep 2012 10:30PM
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It's a good advert for the camera but you did not let on what brand it was.

pgh
21 posts
12 Sep 2012 7:28AM
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hello all....

i am the very kiter in the video with the camera on a head mount.
i am the kiter that edited up the footage.
i am also the kiter that now has a period of recovery as i dislocated my shoulder and popped it in there and then but as of today at fracture clinic have a rotator cuff injury caused by the impact.

now the reason i put the video on the kiteboarder site originally and also on facebook was to show what can go wrong when little mistakes are made in close proximity.
we had passed close by a few times as i'm sure lots do .upwind kite high downwind kite low getting some great footage.
but things go wrong occasionally and the pass by in question we messed up...the other kiter who is a great friend of mine( and still is) had taken his front hand off the bar to point at me as he went past and in doing that we think that his hips twisted naturally sending him further upwind and buy the time he'd realized his track had changed and by the time i realized , i had no where to go, couldnt even sling a jump in..............

ive been kiting 7 years and my mate longer and both in all conditions in all weathers...not trick monkies but confident,competant riders.....
this time we made a mistake.. both to blame , maybe my mate more as rights of way etc but i share some of it also.
he is gutted to cause the accident and inflict this down time on me and he is also quietly sore also...

thing is i dont like reading the comments about him personally and personal attacks on him..i can see that would be the case if it was a lunatic local cutting up others...but just to repeat he is my mate and it was an accident.

i will agree it was hugely avoidable and should never happened but it did and we are both f**ked off it happened.
the session was the best id had this year until that impact and i'd taken my rib up tothe spot for us to kite...it was magical until ...........

i just wanted to show the video and show how easily it can go wrong.

i (we) also realise that it couldve been a lot worse ,boards ,legs,heads etc .it doesnt bear thinking about but it wasnt ...
i'm still at a loss to work out how and where my shoulder got dislocated ...i think i spun round him as he wrapped in my depower rope and my right shoulder hit his shoulder blade as i ended up facing backwards and he was stopped as normal.water was knee deep.
the north ironheart released on impact so the kite was killed straight away.

ive got a MRI scan on the horizion and a slight possibility of a operation to put a slither of bone back but its all dependant on the scan.

thanks for watching the video (watch some of my others ...i dont crash often )
again please dont verbally abuse my mate as far as we're concerned it was just a cock up accident (i did call him a t**t at the time as i lay in the water )

when i get out again i wont change my kiting practices riding ..just maybe wear some american football kit when i'm out with my kite buddy

ps nothing like a bit of acdc on the water
and the camera was the go pro hd on a head strap

peace guys and see you on the water


sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
12 Sep 2012 9:07AM
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Seriously what did you expect uploading a video like this to the internet without explanation in the video?... You can't expect much else than the reaction that happened. Quite silly really, you're just going to have to live with it now.

p.s. May I suggest taking the vid down, or at least editing it to say what happened??? Or, you are just going to go to every site on the internet and write a novel like above.

p.p.s. I also don't actually think you're mate deserves a bullet to the head (even if it wasn't an accident), I was being a little dramatic.

eppo
WA, 9793 posts
12 Sep 2012 9:21AM
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Yeh sh1t does happen. I kite with just my bro a lot. Just two guys in the water and we have nearly had the same thing happen, then again we are noted for jumping over the top of the upwind guy (I know stupid and not vouching for this behaviour). One time before we realised (which we do now) to just obey the rules even if just two of us, this could have happened, but he dropped his kite at the last second and pointed as hard as he could upwind and I skipped face forward across the top of his lines! From then on we obey the basic passing rule, even if just two of us.

There is some good that can come from this. Two relatively experienced kiters have Farqed up with consequences (speedy recovery mate), message, follow the rules regardless. We haven't had a problem since.

eppo

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
12 Sep 2012 12:08PM
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sir ROWDY said...

Seriously what did you expect uploading a video like this to the internet without explanation in the video?... You can't expect much else than the reaction that happened. Quite silly really, you're just going to have to live with it now.

p.s. May I suggest taking the vid down, or at least editing it to say what happened??? Or, you are just going to go to every site on the internet and write a novel like above.

p.p.s. I also don't actually think you're mate deserves a bullet to the head (even if it wasn't an accident), I was being a little dramatic.


Part of the problem was the end of the video (reference to lots of swearing), which assumed it was a random interaction and not one between mates.

Puetz
NT, 2186 posts
12 Sep 2012 11:47AM
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... whoa, that vid looked very familiar.

Yep, confession time,,, I've done something like this too,,, to my own missus no less. And let me just say I don't do this sort of thing anymore!

Went to jump over the missus, me heading out, she heading in, if I were in the above video, I would have been the camera guy.

Well lit, I took off, all angles worked out (so I thought) but she went upwind alot better than I expected, so as I start to go up, I abort and attempt to drop my front leg to try to stop and unsuccessfully to stop with my kite at 12, hoping she passes under me.

Didn't work out that way, I had too much speed and I ended up under her bar (which smacked me in the mouth, getting a fat lip which,,, I deserved) with my kite over her lines so now we have two kites attached to each other. We both go under water and I yelled out to punch out which I did but she didn't because she now had two kites pulling her along and she was furiously trying to swim for air.

She did eventually punch out and I threaded my bar and lines out of her lines and took off back to the beach to fix up my lines, but her lines were too messed up and no way to relaunch the kite. She ended up doing an hour swim in and as you can imagine, was non too happy with me.

A silver lining came out of it though, even though she "thought she knew" how to self rescue, she discovered she couldn't flip the kite over, too windy and kite too heavy. She ended up too tired and not strong enough to flip kite over to self rescue so next day we re-visited the exercises and I taught her strategies to make it much easier. In her panic she forgot a lot of simple steps so in the calm of next session, it all made sence and was easy.

Clearly my mistake and I learned from it, and ironically she is sooo much more confident now having gone through it. If the bar hadn't given me a fat lip, she would have.

cheers,

Robbie

tatkins
QLD, 344 posts
12 Sep 2012 12:18PM
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sir ROWDY said...

or at least editing it to say what happened???


Good point, instead of having an incorrect preamble "lesson learned ..stay clear of people your not used to kiting with"

IMO if 2 people crash,both are to blame. Anyone can abort no matter who has 'right of way'....... Just another classic game of chicken

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
12 Sep 2012 12:28PM
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dafrog said...

nah he did, his mate started to go upwind when really close. If you freeze the video at 7secs you can see the dread in the eyes knowing what's coming...


Why do kiters tend to try to outpoint all the time, EVEN WHEN ON PORT TACK?

Don't.

dafrog
321 posts
12 Sep 2012 11:04AM
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To PGH,

I've linked this video on here with the purpose of reminding people their right of way, for beginners to see what can happen when you kite too close... I have seen too many people kiting a bit too close for my liking since moving to WA and it's also a killer video with great soundtrack that has some punch to it!

Now I tried to explain the situation in subsequent posts and linked to original thread on kiteboarder pointing out the situation, I agree some of the comment are a bit unruly. So my apologies for not pointing out in the first post the entire situation, that might have spared you the roughest posts.

The shock of the image stirred reaction and this is why it's a good educational video: There are safety rules and this a dangerous sport least we forget... So thanks for putting the video up, you got balls to admit to the mishap and good will to educate others in your misfortune. We all have had kitemares that we are not proud of.

dafrog
321 posts
12 Sep 2012 11:13AM
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Puetz said...

... whoa, that vid looked very familiar.

Yep, confession time,,, I've done something like this too,,, to my own missus no less. And let me just say I don't do this sort of thing anymore!

Went to jump over the missus, me heading out, she heading in, if I were in the above video, I would have been the camera guy.

Well lit, I took off, all angles worked out (so I thought) but she went upwind alot better than I expected, so as I start to go up, I abort and attempt to drop my front leg to try to stop and unsuccessfully to stop with my kite at 12, hoping she passes under me.

Didn't work out that way, I had too much speed and I ended up under her bar (which smacked me in the mouth, getting a fat lip which,,, I deserved) with my kite over her lines so now we have two kites attached to each other. We both go under water and I yelled out to punch out which I did but she didn't because she now had two kites pulling her along and she was furiously trying to swim for air.

She did eventually punch out and I threaded my bar and lines out of her lines and took off back to the beach to fix up my lines, but her lines were too messed up and no way to relaunch the kite. She ended up doing an hour swim in and as you can imagine, was non too happy with me.

A silver lining came out of it though, even though she "thought she knew" how to self rescue, she discovered she couldn't flip the kite over, too windy and kite too heavy. She ended up too tired and not strong enough to flip kite over to self rescue so next day we re-visited the exercises and I taught her strategies to make it much easier. In her panic she forgot a lot of simple steps so in the calm of next session, it all made sence and was easy.

Clearly my mistake and I learned from it, and ironically she is sooo much more confident now having gone through it. If the bar hadn't given me a fat lip, she would have.

cheers,

Robbie


That story gave me the chills, this could have been a really serious accident... especially being your missus...

dafrog
321 posts
12 Sep 2012 11:14AM
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tatkins said...

sir ROWDY said...

or at least editing it to say what happened???


Good point, instead of having an incorrect preamble "lesson learned ..stay clear of people your not used to kiting with"

IMO if 2 people crash,both are to blame. Anyone can abort no matter who has 'right of way'....... Just another classic game of chicken


I want to edit the original post to include PGH's comments but it's not possible on here... Any idea how to change that around?

stamp
QLD, 2800 posts
12 Sep 2012 1:24PM
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i reckon the gopro is a big part of the problem. people are so worried about getting that great footage they are oblivious to what's going on around them.
the presence of a camera of any sort is enough to turn a normally competent rider into an idiot.

Gorgo
VIC, 5127 posts
12 Sep 2012 1:50PM
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dafrog said...

To PGH,

I've linked this video on here with the purpose of reminding people their right of way, ...


You might not mean it that way, but talking about right of way is part of the problem. Expecting people to know the ROW rules and apply them correctly is doomed to failure.

You have no rights. You only have responsibilities.

The only rules that matter are:
1. Don't hit.
2. Don't get hit.
3. Don't ruin anybody's day.

There's also kite high/low when passing but that's just part of rules 1 and 2.

sk1nner
VIC, 181 posts
12 Sep 2012 1:53PM
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Why do kiters tend to try to outpoint all the time, EVEN WHEN ON PORT TACK?

Don't.


There are far too many kiters out there that either dont know their port v starboard or pretend that it doesn't apply. Hoping this improves as racing becomes more mainstream in the kiting community.

dafrog
321 posts
12 Sep 2012 12:13PM
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Gorgo said...

dafrog said...

To PGH,

I've linked this video on here with the purpose of reminding people their right of way, ...


You might not mean it that way, but talking about right of way is part of the problem. Expecting people to know the ROW rules and apply them correctly is doomed to failure.

You have no rights. You only have responsibilities.

The only rules that matter are:
1. Don't hit.
2. Don't get hit.
3. Don't ruin anybody's day.

There's also kite high/low when passing but that's just part of rules 1 and 2.


Right of way is a set of rules encompassed under that denomination. This is not about right or wrong and it is each kiters responsibility to apply the most appropriate behavior to avoid collision. Your set of rules is obvious but does not hint at how to avoid collision (usually why those collisions happen: not knowing what to do) you might know by now what to do but a beginner might not be enlightened to such extent and needs to understand how to avoid dangerous situations... Dissing the rules just won't help, dismissing them is irresponsible altogether.

Puetz
NT, 2186 posts
12 Sep 2012 1:53PM
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dafrog said...

Puetz said...

... Robbie


That story gave me the chills, this could have been a really serious accident... especially being your missus...


... damn right, it was bloody stupid on my part, split second later and it could have been way worse too!

Funny thing too, mate who didn't see the incident, was kiting away minding his own buisness and suddenly found two boards side by side, hundreds of meters away upwind, looked around and only then realised we were in trouble, totally surprized to find 2 boards with no owners.

Did I mention, I've learned my lesson!!!!!

cheers,

Robbie

dbabicwa
WA, 809 posts
12 Sep 2012 12:33PM
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dafrog said...

Gorgo said...

dafrog said...

To PGH,

I've linked this video on here with the purpose of reminding people their right of way, ...


You might not mean it that way, but talking about right of way is part of the problem. Expecting people to know the ROW rules and apply them correctly is doomed to failure.

You have no rights. You only have responsibilities.

The only rules that matter are:
1. Don't hit.
2. Don't get hit.
3. Don't ruin anybody's day.

There's also kite high/low when passing but that's just part of rules 1 and 2.


Right of way is a set of rules encompassed under that denomination. This is not about right or wrong and it is each kiters responsibility to apply the most appropriate behavior to avoid collision. Your set of rules is obvious but does not hint at how to avoid collision (usually why those collisions happen: not knowing what to do) you might know by now what to do but a beginner might not be enlightened to such extent and needs to understand how to avoid dangerous situations... Dissing the rules just won't help, dismissing them is irresponsible altogether.


LOL

Do you drive on WA roads? I can't wait to see one texting while kiting:)

sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
12 Sep 2012 4:14PM
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sk1nner said...



Why do kiters tend to try to outpoint all the time, EVEN WHEN ON PORT TACK?

Don't.


There are far too many kiters out there that either dont know their port v starboard or pretend that it doesn't apply. Hoping this improves as racing becomes more mainstream in the kiting community.


As kiters can't point upwind as much as a sailing boat, when 2 kiters are on a tack approaching each other they are often on what looks like parallel paths. As per sailing rules, the person on a port tack should give way however if I'm in this situation and I'm more downwind I bear off downwind even if I'm on a starboard tack. The best thing to do is show your intention early and drop kite to show you are going to bear off and pass downwind. It would be more clear cut on a race board as you could point more into the wind. For those who don't know, right foot going forwards is a starboard tack and left foot forwards is a port tack. So if it's not obvious who's more upwind then the person kiting left foot forwards must drop kite and bear off downwind (with your back to the wind - if you are riding toeside then reverse what I have said above)

suface2air
QLD, 701 posts
12 Sep 2012 4:25PM
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So i get it sunseeker the bloke without the camera should have checked out down wind with kite low . I am going to write on my board in front of left foot
"give way stupid" at least i will remember . I dont get to kite with others very much so at least i know i wont be pissing any body off or getting a bullet in the head . I dont think it will make sense when iam behind the ski boat but who cares you are on the water nothing else maters .

sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
12 Sep 2012 4:45PM
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^ ^ ^

That would be a good idea - maybe a sticker that says "Give way - unless riding toeside in which case don't..."



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