Hi Guys,
Ever since the issues we had with JCC and the Mullaloo SLSC last year, there has been an investigation on the entire JCC coastal beaches. The areas effected stretch from Marmion to Burns Beach, a distance of 17km. Much of the plan includes things like cycle paths, public facilities such as car parks, toilets etc.
The area that effects us is the recreational users management plan. JCC categorize activities on level of conflict with other beach/water users.
Highly conflicting beach activities are : Animal exercising and Kitesurfing.
Highly conflicting water activities are : Kitesurfing, Freestyle Jet Skiing and water skiing.
Medium Conflicting beach activities are: Fishing and Non Powered boat launching.
Medium conflicting water activities are : Kayaking, Surfing, Sailing, Boating and windsurfing.
JCC Issue Statement 20 reads "The city does not wish to prohibit recreational activities on the beach to the detriment of activity diversity and the enjoymentof the cities coastline by residents and regional users. As such, only heavily conflicting activities should be subject to exclusion zones, license requirements, or designated areas. Activities that are less conflicting should be permitted along the coastline in an unrestricted manner......"
The bottom line is this; Kitesurfing has been allocated beach areas as follows:
Kitesurfing North Mullaloo: Designated beach launching and landing areaapproximately 345m south of West View Boulevard to Korella Street.
Pinnaroo Point : Designated Beach launching and Landing Areas approximately 355m, extending 230m south of John Wilkie Tarn Access Path and 125m North of John Wilkie Tarn access path.
It should be noted that a designated area of highly conflicting activity DOES NOT give users exclusive use of the area.
Kitesurfing on the water zones: Exclusion zones applicable : 475m north, 475m South and 200m west of Mullaloo SLSC. 470m North, 480m South and 200m west of Sorrento SLSC.
Patrols will be in place with rangers and City Watch in vehicles and Quad bikes enforcing the new plan.
What this means in a nutshell, is that we lost a major battle and this has set up a precedent for other councils to follow. We must be on our absolutley best behaviour, especially around Mullaloo SLSC as kitesurfing could be easily banned if we choose not to accept their guidelines and play nice.
Please make yourselves highly aware of the new zones and keep within them, even if there is no one else on the beach as all it takes is a few photos and complaints from local whingers err, I mean residents, to show kiters riding or worse, rigging in the banned zones and the next level of authority will be brought against us .... and it won't be pretty. 
Please pay attention and speak up to who ever you see doing the wrong thing, we are hanging by a tenuous thread especially at Mullaloo.
Bummer eh?
KH
Kitehard, is this definetely going to happen, or is it just a proposal .
Also when would the new rules come into effect?
Thanks Oz
Hi Zed! Perhaps you'd like to edit or delete and re-post?
Perhaps you may also have missed the response on your post in the Dog Beach thread? Please at least do a simple search on beach user groups in Seabreeze such as Leighton Kiters and Scarborough Kiters before starting another tirade.
Cheers.
There are a few 400m and 200m zones. Have the council made any fixed structures such as buoys and orange markers we as kiters may be able to see from the water?
Personnally Mullaloo isnt full of whingers. People live there coz they think its the nicest beach in Perth. Im glad the council is still letting us use the beach but no one needs to get in trouble. The only information I have seen is at Pinnaroo Point (a sign) however lots of people launch around Westview Blvd.
I think the information needs to be spread along the entrances.
But for the kiters - please watch ur transition at the sand as heaps of people still walk when its windy
For my (often speant) 2c I think Zed made a fairly level headed and accurate assesment. He got bagged for it - as usual cause he dared to offer a diff view and say it like it really is. Yep - I expect to cop the same and couldn't give to kn hoots to be honest.
Why does a poley comment on these things? - cause he has to share the water with kiters that probably ruin 50% of his sessions I imagine. Try getting on a poleboard, being effectively segregated to small spots - like at Scarbs - then having selfish, idiots witha 25m 'danger radius' fang through this limited zone on downwinders every arvo and see how you go with the "Don't comment on our forum" philosphy.
It is true that Rob, KF, MUGS, WAKSA etc bust a gut to teach respect, sensible behaviour etc etc but let's all face up to the reality that this is now the minority view/behaviour. A quick scan of the threads etc will prove that selfish, arrogant and abusive behaviour is unfortunately becoming the norm and that is indeed translating to the actions on the water too.
It will be a sad day when bans come online but - despite massive efforts from the folks above - they most likely will as there is just no end to the fkwit teenage behaviour out there. Simple as that. Kiters can't even have a sensible discussion amongst themeselves regarding wave priority etc without violence and abuse being the 1st point to launch with. It is bloody unneccesary, emabarrassing and getting worse.
Slag off my views if you like (dunno what that will achieve?) or get involved in one of the above groups, word up the knuckles who act the tool at your local spot. Show respect, voluntarily move away from swimming areas (flags or not) don't rip up to 5m of another water user and spray em with your p!zz poor cutty, don't land/launch in public walkways, stay out of the miniscule poley areas etc etc etc etc etc etc - oh and stop acting like spoilt ****s!
Then we may have a chance of retaining our previous freedoms.
Make the choice, get involved - help change things for the better or shut up and stick to the allocated areas.
Again - KH, Rob, WAKSA, and other minority folks are to be commended - the rest need to wake up tho.
Do we really know how many overseas visitors are coming with the kites each year on the WA beaches?
And how much money they are generating for the WA economy?
As I can see a huge number of Euro's were here over the Christmas and January. I've talked with one from Italy on the Cottesloe beach after his session!
In general they will NOT follow local rules, many but not all are mostly not interested in it and they just want to have a good time here.
Instead of promoting the W.A. as a kite surfing destination, imposing fines and restrictions will significantly damage tourism industry!
If they are thinking to restrict access they will need to tell people when arriving here, on the border not on the beach by some beach patrol.
And even than, if something bad happens to/by visiting tourist do we/I need to suffer the consequences? Should we/I be punished with the restriction?
This is clearly a case for an referendum. We are the Citizens and this are our rights they are playing with. This is not so much about the kite surfing but more what is next. Tomorrow it might be a beach cricket!
Something to think about!
re tourists / Euros
...no figures, but I doubt kitesurfing would be a significant tourism revenue...most kiter tourists I've met had more time than money.....
However, we need to treat our guests as we'd like to be treated when we go OS.
...yes, we are held responsible for much what they do along our beaches, since they don't look any different from us in the eye of Joe Public....
...there are no written, distributed "rules" regarding any kitesurfing beaches of WA.... we know them only because we go to our locals daily....... if we want them to follow our rules, first we need to make sure they know them......and they also need to know the significant effort that is made whole year around to maintain access to those beaches...........we need to educate them (not fine them)...
...the popularity of kitesurfing is well out of proportion, and this is the problem........some years ago you needed to be fit, adventurous, and agile to kitesurf...now if you can swim 100m without drowning, and can carry your gear from the parking to the beach without angina, you are fine..........
Hi S.A.L.T to answer your question yes it seems the JCC has installed some tall yellow marker boys at North Mulklaloo around 70m offshore. Quite sad to see really.
AB....
I really don't care if any of the Councilors read this.
As far as I am concerned Joondalup Council is full of not to bright people who have a lot to answer for. For one, how could they have allowed the real estate development to proceed over the years as they have. Many suburbs north of the river (and south now too) are quick buck chop chop developments with absolutely no thought to the future. We have a northern coast full of MacMansions with little to no trees, house next to house, with wrong orientation for climate so they need air con and heating. Joondalup Council has created the future ghettos of Perth. Just wait until the "boom" runs its course.
Many people today are mortgaged to the limit and perhaps there is no money for kites..........because you know the kids want to do it and are pestering. So the easy solution for mom, is to complain about kiters etc. and why can't our kids be happy with what they did, like surf life saving and swimming as they are free.
Councils and organisation by nature want to create more rules so that they can increase their power and justify larger budgets to hire the people to enforce the new rules.
Finally, Joondalup Council, being packed with nit wits surely will not be followed by other councils in Australia. All councils in Australia are not that stupid.
I'm with Andrash on this one.
The proliferation of teuros at Woodies who don't give a F%$k this season is amazing. Their camping at the car park has seen masses of rubbish, toilet paper and faeces in and around the car park. They are not here to spend big bucks and support tourism in the state, they live as cheap as possible and don't care how they treat the locals or the surrounding environment.
If we don't start to manage this, it will be managed for us. This is already in evidence in Joondalup.
I totally agree with you WOW.
I have written to the Cockburn City Council some months back to see if they could catch some of the freeloaders and fine them............guess that was in the too hard basket.
So I'll now get off my computer and go to Woodies with a bag and do some clean up.
Hi guys,
I'm not really into Teuro bashing, most of them are pretty cool, despite their not socialising with the local riders. There were several Euros in vans living in Pinnaroo Point car park when we did our last clean up day and the rubbish they left in the bush 4 feet behind their vans was absolutely disgusting. We picked it all up and challenged them over their littering and they denied it was them. Simple observation of the rubbish left little doubt it was them and eventually they admitted it.
I was totally pissed off as there was a bin only 50m away. I'm sure they wouldn't like it if I went to their country and threw all of my waste and rubbish on the ground or in their parks. 
I don't think the problems at Mullaloo can be put down to Teuro's though, more just thoughtless and/or selfish aussies doing downwinders and ignoring the rights of others in the ocean and on the beaches.
Wise up people and school those that don't know. It's everyone's responsibility!
KH
Interesting thoughts, having recently travelled overseas to India and seeing how they pretty much treat their country as a toilet I am eager to not degrade our land like that. Whilst India is 3rd world and I imagine Europe is nothing like that, it is unacceptable to visit our country and treat it the way they do because they don't have to live there.
I am saying, this is a civil rights problem and as such it might be considered for an civil action.
Quote:
"the Local Government Act (Local Government (Elections) Regulations 1997 Section 43) the Council can only conduct an informal poll or referendum if it is not in conjunction with an election"
As the last resort, I can't see anything else than a petition and than an referendum.
There will be more and more tourists on our beaches, they can't bring a jet ski, but they can a kite (gear confiscation is impossible, imagine you go skiing to Alps and someone confiscate your gear because you went of the route?).
And they are generating money, just a landing tax at Perth airport is huge (bigger than anywhere else in Au), toilet paper costs something, petrol, camper, etc etc.
I've talked to one Slovenian who made a 2000km across WA for windsurfing spots, and his complain was not enough wind! With his wife and a kid, imagine that cost with a full gear!
And, yes Gruezi, you are right, when mining boom runs away, how Joondalup will generate money? Instead of going in tourism a big time! Short sighted though!
Consider carefully how you vote in the poll next time!
Here it is:
"Petitions to Council
Any petition to the Council is, as far as practicable, to be prepared as shown on the attached form and then forwarded to an Elected Member or the CEO.
Petitions are presented to the next scheduled Council meeting. The presentation of a petition to Council is a formal process to acknowledge receipt of the petition. Once received by the Council, a petition is referred to the appropriate Director to allow investigations to be undertaken on the issues raised."
Link: http://www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/Govern/CouncilMeetings/CouncilPetition.aspx
There is a form for petition on the above link, exacly what I was trying to find!
Only 30 days for submission, till 6 April 2010.
Online survey by the City of Joondalup (thanks) :
www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/Govern/CommunityConsultation/DraftBeachManagementPlan.aspx
You are right, toilet paper is for free, there are no taxes and we live in Utopia.
Hi all,
Please do not complete the online survey yet. It is essential that the kiting community sticks together and has one united message to Joondalup City Council. WAKSA and Mullaloo Kiters User Group are currently working on exactly the best way forward, not only for Mullaloo, or the beaches in Joondalup shire, but as this may bee seen as a bit of a WA test case, this is important for all WA kiters. As it has been said we have until the 6th April to feedback - early feedback is not counted any more than feedback on the 6th, so if everyone can just hold fire until we have a united strategy. Once we have this we will let you all know and you can, and we will need you to, feed consistent comments back into the consultation process.
Cheers
Dave
Mullaloo Kiters User Group
As a beginner in the sport, the action proposed by Joondalup CC is disconcerting however I am new enough to the sport to still appreciate how kiting can potentially conflict with other beach users. Others here must surely appreciate how certain kiting activity (whether voluntary or otherwise) may represent a risk to swimmers, pet owners or small children.
As Andrash has said the sport has probably reached saturation point at certain metro locations.
With a growing Perth population I think compromise will be the only future for kiting in the metro area. An obvious compromise has to be self rescue within exclusion zones.
However this has to work both ways. If kiters are going to be restricted to designated areas I would like to see the general public asked to give kiters a "wide berth" in these areas so as to avoid potential conflict.
Out of interest, with regard to the proposed areas at Mullaloo, assuming downwinders were done 200m offshore (and precedent aside), would the proposals impact on kiters that much?
With regard to tourists I'm afraid to say that a minority of Aussies would act in the same disrespectful way themselves overseas. The majority would act according to local custom but not contribute much to the local economy. Only a minority would contribute significantly to the economy. These assumptions are based on my experience as a visitor angler to New Zealand. Unfortunately a minority of overseas anglers (frequently Aussies) use a resource that overseas visitors can access on a par with locals and in return act in a selfish and disrespectful manner.
One possible solution could be to license kite boards like other water craft. Local residents would pay a small fee to kite on metro waters. Visitors would pay a larger fee. Such a system would discourage the freeloaders to kite at popular locations. Of course policing such a system is difficult and many locals would object to paying.
Beach access for kiting must not be taken for granted. I think the Councils could potentially go a lot further to limit access. Anyone on here who has lived in the UK will appreciate being able to park at the beach free! Whats to stop a council insisting kiters have liability insurance or demonstration of proficiency ("skippers ticket") or introducing a day kiting fee etc.
Good luck to WAKSA (I feel my recent membership fee was a worthwhile investment).
Well sorry guys but I agree with Zed and Getfunky...... as a windsurfer and thus an interested party I had to post some negative stuff in the online survey.
Now please bear with me on why
For a few years now I have encountered all the stuff we whinge about with kiters being dangerous / not giving way etc (no need to rehash it all now) but the upshot is that every time I post a complaint on the forum I get one kiter saying positive stuff and condemning the behaviour of the offending kiter, and another couple abusing me, and at least one saying "ha ha that why we like to do sik boosts over youse all lol" or some crap like that. Maybe they are full of it and are just inarticulate juveniles who are trying to be funny, but that attitude on here is seen by anyone with a computer and the 'net.
On the beach I have very politely (and I mean very) tried to explain to guys many times how they almost injured or killed me cos they were clearly not giving way when they should, or were obviously yahooing near kids swimming, and I have been abused and so on.
The moral of the story - kiting has some d!ckheads, same as any group I think, but just a few more than some sports. If kiters cannot deal with the losers / cowboys / etc in their own group, then somebody will do it for you. IE- sort it out yourself or be regulated. Plenty of time has passed and no self regulation has been effective so this action by Councils is inevitable.
Just for the record I also criticised JCC heavily as their report has a stakeholder list with NO mention of WAKSA or AKSA (or WWA for that matter). Now maybe they have consulted with you guys, it looks like they don't care if they can't even include you in the stakeholder list!!! so are they even listening to you???
PS: dbabicwa, sorry dude you are wrong, and selective quotation of legislation that pertains to referendums and elections won't make you any more right. The Council can pass a by-law (same as any other law) that makes something illegal in their area, with penalties etc like any other State or Commonwealth law. They don't need to have a poll, they can pass, by a majority vote of Councillors, a by-law to make it illegal to wear pink in the park and it will be law and thus enforceable by their Rangers. Nothing you can do about it and it is not a civil rights issue any more than the laws that prohibit Stealing, Homicide or pulling ya pud in public.
"Nothing you can do about it" sounds like a very good approach, not. How about going to your local Councillor and talking about it? And reminding her/him about for next vote? Or going with an petition? Just like Mullaloo locals did....Lobbying makes by-laws, not crying that you can't do anything.
I'm an older Mullaloo resident and have watched the changes over the last 10 years and make these observations. Perth has expanded hugely in the outer suburbs, yes Mullaloo was "in the sticks once". However the freeway and railway has extended Perth both North and South. This expansion has not been preceeded by much planning because of the sudden minerals boom from China. Hence we have all the problems of the townscape getting crowded etc etc. My grievences are few. I miss the old hotel as a meeting point, the new one is aimed at the 25-35 group with loads of free cash!!
I do not mind the beach areas being crowded as I tend to go to the less crowded parts of the beach and make room for those who rarely come to the beach. The Mullaloo surf club has become a huge entity and is increasingly taking up more of the beach. Most of the car parking is centred on this area[hotel too] so there will always be problems there until new parking areas are opened up. As for use of beaches by dogs; when did dogs rush into the sea of there own choice. Is the sea a cheap dog wash? The odour from Hillarys dog beach is overpowering even from the cycle path. Joondalup has many parks and paths for dog walking. I do not see the dog/sea connection.
As regards beaches there are some terrific beaches[4kms long] north of Burns Beach road to Mindarie but access is made extremely difficult. Half is Wanneroo and half Joondalup. If there was better access I would gladly go there for my walks and swims. I enjoy watching kitesurfing and wish they were around when I was younger.
Hey Big Al,
I'm pretty sure the yellow markers refer to the waterskiing area boundaries
