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Over-regulation of the nation..

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Created by Kym1 > 9 months ago, 12 Oct 2012
Kym1
QLD, 29 posts
12 Oct 2012 10:34AM
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I headed for a night session at the Cairns wakeboard park last night. It's a small business who has set up a few jumps, some rails etc on a small lake. It's been there for a few years. Usually they have some music blasting and everyone's having a good time trying out new tricks and just playing around. Last night however I noticed there was no music. Apparently the local Health and Safety team has audited the site and concluded that music makes it unsafe.

To all my fellow Australian's... can we please stop over regulating every little aspect of our society in the name of safety. Over-regulation makes the place BORING!!! There is a time and a place for Health and Safety however that does not extend to music at my local wakeboard park!!

Thank you for listening to my rant.
Kym.

magentaninja
QLD, 50 posts
12 Oct 2012 10:45AM
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I must agree with you... way too much regulation and litigation just screws up all the fun in the world.

Chris_M
2132 posts
12 Oct 2012 8:51AM
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What about the guys who have to pay a $120 fee to play frisbee in the park on a friday? Stupid stupid stupid

www.news.com.au/national/city-of-glen-eira-demands-120-permit-for-throwing-a-frisbee/news-story/e28d74657b8f284e03a3afa7399d78e8

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
12 Oct 2012 11:56AM
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Its a disgrace.Nanny Nation.

Mind you if it was ABBA or the Greece soundtrack they were playing then power to them.

tomstheword
QLD, 31 posts
12 Oct 2012 11:00AM
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Or the French woman who had to prover her phone bill of 14 Quadrillion Euros wasn't correct ($14,000,000,000,000,000)

It makes me sad that people with such little common sense have an equal vote in a democracy.

Kym1
QLD, 29 posts
12 Oct 2012 11:11AM
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There's a small island up here in Cairns called Fitzroy island. On it is a patch of grass where you can pitch a couple of tents and camp for the night. It has a male and female toilet and free bbq. That's all it is. Just a very small area cleared for few people to camp.

There's sign on the toilet block which lists 17 different rules for the camp site. How on earth do you get 17 different rules for such an area.

How about this..."Please leave it as you found it"
Do we really need 16 others???

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
12 Oct 2012 1:08PM
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Kym1 said...

I headed for a night session at the Cairns wakeboard park last night. It's a small business who has set up a few jumps, some rails etc on a small lake. It's been there for a few years. Usually they have some music blasting and everyone's having a good time trying out new tricks and just playing around. Last night however I noticed there was no music. Apparently the local Health and Safety team has audited the site and concluded that music makes it unsafe.

To all my fellow Australian's... can we please stop over regulating every little aspect of our society in the name of safety. Over-regulation makes the place BORING!!! There is a time and a place for Health and Safety however that does not extend to music at my local wakeboard park!!

Thank you for listening to my rant.
Kym.


thats totally fkd up.......... so the law allows you to listen to music whilst driving a car or a truck but not whilst at the cable park.

stamp
QLD, 2800 posts
12 Oct 2012 12:24PM
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it's probably for the operators to be able to hear when someone is in trouble.

i've seen a kneeboarder dragged around 2 corners after she got tangled in the handle while the operator was busy chatting to a mate. he only stopped the cable after we yelled out to him from the bank. and that was during the day.

i'm not saying the ban is a good thing, just that things can go wrong if the monkey in charge isn't paying attention...

VB MAN
1156 posts
12 Oct 2012 4:33PM
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Kym1 said...

I headed for a night session at the Cairns wakeboard park last night. It's a small business who has set up a few jumps, some rails etc on a small lake. It's been there for a few years. Usually they have some music blasting and everyone's having a good time trying out new tricks and just playing around. Last night however I noticed there was no music. Apparently the local Health and Safety team has audited the site and concluded that music makes it unsafe.

To all my fellow Australian's... can we please stop over regulating every little aspect of our society in the name of safety. Over-regulation makes the place BORING!!! There is a time and a place for Health and Safety however that does not extend to music at my local wakeboard park!!

Thank you for listening to my rant.
Kym.


Hey Kym (sh-t name for a guy but ahh "that's life")
That wasn't a rant. This is a rant.
Everytime I return to Australia, be it from England, Europe, Asia, mid east wherever, the first thing that hits me is the rules. We have way too many rules and laws and safety fears, that nowadays it's almost illegal to walk across a street without wearing HI VIS clothing.

But let me rant on

Bike helmets
In Amsterdam, anywhere in Holland 95% of the people get around on bikes. Without helmets. Now, before all you negative people jump on board and say " oh it's only cyclists so where could the harm be", it is also a major city with a heap of infrastructure so therefore it is also filled with, trucks, lorrys, taxis etc.
And nobody wears a helmet ?. Why ? A bike helmet detracts you from your natural senses i:e hearing, and peripheral vision, if you were to look at the stats you'd see that our law enforced, helmet wearing cyclists are much more prone to accidents as opposed to those who don't wear them.
But in Australia' if you get on a bicycle, without a helmet. You are committing a crime !
I could accept this for under 16 kiddies who haven't quite got their sh-t together yet, but I'm failing to understand why a cop was trying to do me for helmet laws three days ago as I was doing a lap of Lake Monger on my pushy.

Rant #1
Bike helmets

Rant#2
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random101
VIC, 90 posts
12 Oct 2012 7:59PM
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VB MAN said...
But let me rant on

Bike helmets
In Amsterdam, anywhere in Holland 95% of the people get around on bikes. Without helmets. Now, before all you negative people jump on board and say " oh it's only cyclists so where could the harm be", it is also a major city with a heap of infrastructure so therefore it is also filled with, trucks, lorrys, taxis etc.
And nobody wears a helmet ?. Why ? A bike helmet detracts you from your natural senses i:e hearing, and peripheral vision, if you were to look at the stats you'd see that our law enforced, helmet wearing cyclists are much more prone to accidents as opposed to those who don't wear them.
But in Australia' if you get on a bicycle, without a helmet. You are committing a crime !
I could accept this for under 16 kiddies who haven't quite got their sh-t together yet, but I'm failing to understand why a cop was trying to do me for helmet laws three days ago as I was doing a lap of Lake Monger on my pushy.

Rant #1
Bike helmets

Rant#2
Ask





Yeah I agree... we have a few silly laws... but your comment about wearing a helmet and distracting you is just stupid. Wearing a helmet is a small price to pay to avoid serious head trauma.

When I was living in Europe I didn't have a helmet, when I rode... but I did have bad accidents still.

The people that protested that they dont need helmets are idiots. Takes half a second to put on.


I wear one by choice when I'm skiing or on a bike.

Those that don't and end up in hospital and then use my tax money to pay for there healthcare and recovery.
No thanks.

Number
WA, 108 posts
12 Oct 2012 5:33PM
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VB MAN said...
Bike helmet

In Amsterdam, anywhere in Holland 95% of the people get around on bikes. Without helmets. Now, before all you negative people jump on board and say " oh it's only cyclists so where could the harm be", it is also a major city with a heap of infrastructure so therefore it is also filled with, trucks, lorrys, taxis etc.


But in Amsterdam(and in Holland in general) people are used to pushbikes, they are the default transportation device. Here the proper way to get around is a 4w drive or a pimped ute and if u pass a guy on a push bike, honk, abuse or throw a bottle(that have actually happened to me)


VB MAN said...And nobody wears a helmet ?. Why ? A bike helmet detracts you from your natural senses i:e hearing, and peripheral vision


What kind of helmets are you referring to? A normal bike helmet does not affect any of that.



VB MAN said...
I could accept this for under 16 kiddies who haven't quite got their sh-t together yet, but I'm failing to understand why a cop was trying to do me for helmet laws three days ago as I was doing a lap of Lake Monger on my pushy.


I'm not sure if I support the regulation cause from my point of view it actually stops people form using their bikes here. I never seen as many nice empty bike lanes as in Perth.


If I would rant about laws here I would do it about the regulations that only exist to keep useless paper-turners employed by the state. Such as the Skippers ticket(a monkey can acquire it), the working with children check(the regulation got so many loopholes that Marc Dutroux could voulonteer at a kindergarten). Or maybe the fact that you risk a $250 ticket for having a beer at the beach...

tatkins
QLD, 344 posts
12 Oct 2012 9:47PM
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harry potter said...
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thats totally fkd up.......... so the law allows you to listen to music whilst driving a car or a truck but not whilst at the cable park.




Good point Lets ban music altogether, it's just too risky. Whilst on the subject of helmets, someone should also invent a helmet we can wear everywhere. I wear one when cycling to work, another on the building site, another kiteboarding, I even wear another one to wear to 'protect' me from the sun.

Apparently my Darth helmet isn't compliant with Australian Standards......

VB MAN
1156 posts
12 Oct 2012 9:44PM
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tatkins said...
harry potter said...
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thats totally fkd up.......... so the law allows you to listen to music whilst driving a car or a truck but not whilst at the cable park.




Good point Lets ban music altogether, it's just too risky. Whilst on the subject of helmets, someone should also invent a helmet we can wear everywhere. I wear one when cycling to work, another on the building site, another kiteboarding, I even wear another one to wear to 'protect' me from the sun.

Apparently my Darth helmet isn't compliant with Australian Standards......


I doubt a pink Darth Vader helmet is compliant anywhere, except at a mega nerd convention.
And it is not a Darth helmet you tool, it's standard storm trooper hat gear that your wearing you clown

VB MAN
1156 posts
12 Oct 2012 11:27PM
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Cool, we got that one covered.

Smoking

I choose to smoke, but here in WA if you lite up outdoors in a public area you also gotta watch out some sniper ain't gunna take you out just for doing so.

But the guy's in thier HI VIS suits are smashing an asbestos house down around the corner, with total disregard to other locals, and having no idea of wind direction etc are pumping half the ressies full of assie.
Your government allows this

If I were to lite a cig in a government building, you would probably hear about it on the news (prob 9 or 7 ) regarding the amount of harm I "may" have inflicted upon others.
Think about it
Rant #2 outa the way

Who's up for # 3 ?

richswing
WA, 724 posts
13 Oct 2012 2:06AM
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Its going to cost us the Iron Ore industry !

BennyB12
QLD, 918 posts
13 Oct 2012 8:19AM
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Vb mans a bit of a knob..

VB MAN
1156 posts
13 Oct 2012 9:07AM
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Hey, VB MAN is a huge knob, shut up and say something constructive, MR BORING

suniboy21
VIC, 1090 posts
13 Oct 2012 8:42PM
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$10 says VB MAN wheres his lycra when he rides his bike with no helmet.
whilst drinking his VB with lemonade and sucking on a herbal ciggy

VB MAN
1156 posts
14 Oct 2012 12:02AM
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$20 says ya wrong!

kitelooper1
112 posts
14 Oct 2012 11:31AM
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VB MAN said...

Everytime I return to Australia, be it from England, Europe, Asia, mid east wherever, the first thing that hits me is the rules. We have way too many rules and laws and safety fears, that nowadays it's almost illegal to walk across a street without wearing HI VIS clothing.



It is because of compulsory voting. Those that dont work, those that are on benefits, those that do work but are brain washed unionist/socialists and those that want to run others lives that vote for left leaning parties including the Labor Party. They have themselves to blame because the Labour Party philosophically wants to intervene with laws and then run corrupt closed shops with their bully boys.

If all the poor souls that have been forced to wear Hi Vis new a little history and literature they would understand the symbolic nature of their prison uniform that they wear.

Ahh the golden years in Oz have come and gone and the slide down the slippery slope is getting steeper and faster.

I pray to Allah.

stamp
QLD, 2800 posts
14 Oct 2012 2:23PM
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^^^ take it somewhere else...this is not the place for your soapbox politics

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
14 Oct 2012 3:51PM
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The problem is largely as a result of people handing over responsibility for their kids to the government or blaming the government for their problems. Something goes wrong and people sue the government instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.

Your kid commits suicide, its the government's fault for not putting proper railings on the bridge instead of the real problem.

This isn't going to change unless the laws that allow people to sue for being stupid change.

rphi6876
29 posts
14 Oct 2012 12:53PM
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VB MAN said...

Bike helmets
In Amsterdam, anywhere in Holland 95% of the people get around on bikes. it is also a major city with a heap of infrastructure so therefore it is also filled with, trucks, lorrys, taxis etc.
And nobody wears a helmet ?.



Umm- Your correct it does have heaps of infrastructure. It even has these things called bike paths. They are dedicated just for bikes and mopeds and NO trucks. lorrys, taxis etc are allowed on them.

I was happy to cruise around Amsterdam on a bike in a dedicated bike lane averaging max 20km/h with no helmet and also no trucks, lorrys, taxis etc. However sharing the Pacific Highway with trucks, lorrys, taxis doing over 60km/h I think ill pass - little own not wear a helmet.

But hey- if that is what you want to do, fine by me, but I just hope for your sake that natural selection wont take its course.

pueter66
QLD, 205 posts
14 Oct 2012 3:17PM
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This stems from the sensibility of its not my fault. The person injures himself at a puplic park they sue the council for not making it safe not because he was naked on crack doing a triple forward front flip on a pogo stick. We are victims of our own stupid cotton ball mentality. So we get a million stupid laws and signs that tell us not to do this or that so that whoever gets sued next can say its not my fault didnt you read the sign. I believe that most people look out for themselves and do the right thing, but you have this whole minority of knuckle draging pavement apes who cant step outside without instructions walk into the first tree they try to climb back into, get a nose bleed and complain its not there fault were was the barricade. Maybe one day the majority will take the country back again from the knee jerk reacting governments and make it the country were you could actually do stuff like walk on the grass, it sure looks nice to walk on if it wasnt so damn slippery. Excuse me I am going to pull out a sign.

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
14 Oct 2012 9:40PM
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Personally I think

Red heads should be banned from Parliament

suniboy21
VIC, 1090 posts
14 Oct 2012 10:48PM
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kitelooper1 said...
VB MAN said...

Everytime I return to Australia, be it from England, Europe, Asia, mid east wherever, the first thing that hits me is the rules. We have way too many rules and laws and safety fears, that nowadays it's almost illegal to walk across a street without wearing HI VIS clothing.



It is because of compulsory voting. Those that dont work, those that are on benefits, those that do work but are brain washed unionist/socialists and those that want to run others lives that vote for left leaning parties including the Labor Party. They have themselves to blame because the Labour Party philosophically wants to intervene with laws and then run corrupt closed shops with their bully boys.

If all the poor souls that have been forced to wear Hi Vis new a little history and literature they would understand the symbolic nature of their prison uniform that they wear.

Ahh the golden years in Oz have come and gone and the slide down the slippery slope is getting steeper and faster.

I pray to Allah.



Go eat some Hallal!

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
15 Oct 2012 12:09AM
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kitelooper1 said...
VB MAN said...

Everytime I return to Australia, be it from England, Europe, Asia, mid east wherever, the first thing that hits me is the rules. We have way too many rules and laws and safety fears, that nowadays it's almost illegal to walk across a street without wearing HI VIS clothing.



It is because of compulsory voting. Those that dont work, those that are on benefits, those that do work but are brain washed unionist/socialists and those that want to run others lives that vote for left leaning parties including the Labor Party. They have themselves to blame because the Labour Party philosophically wants to intervene with laws and then run corrupt closed shops with their bully boys.

If all the poor souls that have been forced to wear Hi Vis new a little history and literature they would understand the symbolic nature of their prison uniform that they wear.

Ahh the golden years in Oz have come and gone and the slide down the slippery slope is getting steeper and faster.

I pray to Allah.




First to VB man - Yeah, I see a lot of rules here, but also, I see a serious lack of enforcement of said rules. So, in the spirit of social rebellion, I suggest you guys try ignoring some of the lame council by laws and regulations you see around the place - if you get a fine don't pay it - you'll find many by laws contravene existing state and federal laws.

Second - to kitelooper - I'm one of those "prisoners" who is "forced to wear" hi vis for my job, on various mine sites around the world. The nice thing about robust health and safety regulation is that you or your family don't have to worry about whether you'll make it home in one piece at the end of the day - if that means wearing hi vis and sitting down with my work mates to discuss the safe and proper way to do things then I'll do it. I was chatting to an old timer yesterday and he said a mine he worked on in Tassie had 7 deaths a year back in the day. The problem wasn't so much people were dying from their own unsafe practices, but that people who had nothing to do with the mistake bore the brunt and ended up being sent home in a bucket.

Finally - to Kym1 - talk about a first world problem... oh no the cable park doesn't have loud music anymore - when you're out on the water do you care about the music? Does it REALLY add so much to the experience you can't ride without it? I bet you'd be the first to make a claim if you came a cropper and the operator couldn't hear your screams to stop the cable over the well bangin' Dubstep!

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
15 Oct 2012 1:06AM
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lostinlondon said...

Finally - to Kym1 - talk about a first world problem... oh no the cable park doesn't have loud music anymore - when you're out on the water do you care about the music? Does it REALLY add so much to the experience you can't ride without it? I bet you'd be the first to make a claim if you came a cropper and the operator couldn't hear your screams to stop the cable over the well bangin' Dubstep!




The problem isn't normally the person in question. Its their family. Kym1 may accept the risk and go ahead and ride knowing the operator won't be able to hear him, but when he gets caught in the cable and drowns, his family is generally looking for a scape goat and they try find someone to blame. Blaming a dead person seems wrong so they blame anyone they can and try extort money out of them to help with their costs now that the breadwinner is gone and to ensure that the operator "learns their lesson" and never does it again.

The biggest problem is at a time when things go pear shaped, families blame everyone except who they should blame.

Kid commits suicide - its the governments fault
Kid kills someone while driving 180km/h - governments fault
Kid dives off a bridge which is 20m high and hits a concrete pilon under the water while drunk - government's fault

The list goes on.

I really don't care if people wear helmets unless they are under the age to safely make their own choices. Once you reach a certain age, if you're prepared to take on the risk of riding without one and in doing so, you don't endanger anyone else, its your own perogative but in doing so, you take responsibility for not wearing one, not the government when you come a cropper and your family needs a payout.

richswing
WA, 724 posts
14 Oct 2012 10:30PM
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Agree Saffer.

My kids went to a birthday today, they could not do this or do that - there was even a trampoline there which they could not play on. All they could do is games like pass the parcel and the mom was apologetic for the types of foods she provided.

Kids can't even enjoy a birthday nowadays because people are sh!t scared of getting sued, what does that say about society.

Doctors have their hands tied in diagnosing and treating patients because they can get screwed ( these are an immigrated doctors own words not mine).

I'm thinking the next time my kids have a birthday the invited kids parents will have to sign a waiver, so their kids can have some fun.

I wear a helmet kiting because I have made an educated decision too, not because I had to by means of force feeding and brain washing.

Cheers
Rich

pueter66
QLD, 205 posts
15 Oct 2012 8:16AM
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Saffer said...
lostinlondon said...

Finally - to Kym1 - talk about a first world problem... oh no the cable park doesn't have loud music anymore - when you're out on the water do you care about the music? Does it REALLY add so much to the experience you can't ride without it? I bet you'd be the first to make a claim if you came a cropper and the operator couldn't hear your screams to stop the cable over the well bangin' Dubstep!




The problem isn't normally the person in question. Its their family. Kym1 may accept the risk and go ahead and ride knowing the operator won't be able to hear him, but when he gets caught in the cable and drowns, his family is generally looking for a scape goat and they try find someone to blame. Blaming a dead person seems wrong so they blame anyone they can and try extort money out of them to help with their costs now that the breadwinner is gone and to ensure that the operator "learns their lesson" and never does it again.

The biggest problem is at a time when things go pear shaped, families blame everyone except who they should blame.

Kid commits suicide - its the governments fault
Kid kills someone while driving 180km/h - governments fault
Kid dives off a bridge which is 20m high and hits a concrete pilon under the water while drunk - government's fault

The list goes on.

I really don't care if people wear helmets unless they are under the age to safely make their own choices. Once you reach a certain age, if you're prepared to take on the risk of riding without one and in doing so, you don't endanger anyone else, its your own perogative but in doing so, you take responsibility for not wearing one, not the government when you come a cropper and your family needs a payout.


Amen to that saffer, responsibility for ones own actions and decisions.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
15 Oct 2012 3:44PM
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The best example I see of this is the people getting killed crossing train lines. People are blaming the government for not building underpasses (at every train crossing which is just not feasible). How about blaming the idiots for crossing the line when a train was coming? How about blaming the idiots for playing their iPods at full volume and crossing without looking? Sure, they may have died but it doesn't take away their responsibility. Instead their families look for answer by trying to get the government to pay for things they should be teaching their own kids, like how to safely cross a train line and look before crossing.

It bugs the crap out of me because we're building a society to cater for morons instead of letting people take the blame for making their mistakes. Sure its traumatic for train drivers but it's really not that hard, if you cross a train line when a train is coming and you don't look, you're going to get killed. No, the government is not to blame because even if they build an underpass, people will still cross the lines when they're in a hurry. We're not talking about 10 year olds getting killed who don't know any better, we're talking about people who are 18+.

And yet, every week or two we still hear of people getting killed by trains and every time it happens, we hear people crying for and underpass instead of trying to educate their kids on basics in life.



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