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Use of boat sand anchor for self launch

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Created by yellowvtr1 > 9 months ago, 21 Jun 2012
yellowvtr1
NSW, 45 posts
21 Jun 2012 9:30PM
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Hi just trying to find out if it is possible to use a sand anchor to aid in self launching and landing

I think that if I was to plant the anchor then attach the chicken loop ,then walk the kite to the edge of the window and launch on to wing tip,walk to anchor hook in to harness then disconnect form anchor and ride away,
Reverse for landing.

Will it work ?
What else do I need to do?
Has anyone done or tried this?

Thanks in advance
Bring on the comments/sugestions
Thanks

eppo
WA, 9793 posts
21 Jun 2012 7:38PM
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Why do I get the feeling this may go down the same road as wearing a weight belt to increase the ability to hold down a kite?

Craig66
NSW, 2466 posts
21 Jun 2012 9:56PM
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www.msrgear.com/ie/msr-warehouse-sale/toughstake-snow-and-sand-tent-stakes/toughstake.html

google is your friend

or better still hook onto the good old tank trap


rhinoman
QLD, 362 posts
21 Jun 2012 9:56PM
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someone with a camera(funniest home video) and 000 on speed dial

DUDE
NSW, 1132 posts
21 Jun 2012 10:03PM
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I have seen someone on a few occasions do this but has the chicken loop
hooked into a garbage bin.Every time works sweet.

Do not do this at home kids................

SydPete
WA, 64 posts
21 Jun 2012 8:13PM
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self launching you can do fairly easily so shouldn't need an anchor, landing maybe just fill a bag with sand in case **** gets real, don't want an anchor flying through the air.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
21 Jun 2012 8:14PM
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youd have to be a total anchor to try something like that

Alazon
17 posts
21 Jun 2012 8:32PM
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Yellow, I've used a sand anchor specially made for kite launching and a handy piece of kit to have when can't rig up to a log, fence post, etc. best to have kite depowered on launch and coming to land and wouldn't use under 10 knots or in very gusty conditions

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
21 Jun 2012 8:32PM
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no lets be seriouse on a deserted beach maybe no problem , but if something went wrong as it can itd be scary , i put a launch land post at the local slsc for the locals and the travelling kiters, i dug a hole approx 1mtr deep and put 4 bags of postcrete around it, one of the locals went to launch his kite as he got close to it , it took off ripping the post clean out of the ground, so i wouldnt bother mate , ive seen a couple of lads from geraldton using a screw anchor, i think it was called a dingo

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
21 Jun 2012 8:34PM
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Just in case it's a serious question. At face value it sounds like a viable idea because the kite will pull the anchor deeper if something goes wrong. But if it powers up and starts ripping across the wind window you now have a out of control, Powered up kite at the perfect angle to rip the anchor out and send it flying. That's got to be a bad thing.

theDoctor
NSW, 5786 posts
21 Jun 2012 10:56PM
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why not just learn to self launch...?

i guess its' kinda like using a gojoe, so you don't have to learn to body drag

go joe hahahahahaha

go joe

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
21 Jun 2012 11:12PM
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If you're gonna do it, use a wombat ground anchor. It holds 500KG's which is higher than the breaking strain of your lines. If it pulls that it, you don't want to be attached to it.

dafunk
QLD, 561 posts
21 Jun 2012 11:14PM
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try to without it .
practise both in light winds 1st .
make sure no one down wind
launching kite walk more to save your kite dragging
landings are harder imo[on the grass ]
in stronger winds land kite behind something
have leash set for flag out during the trying times

lovelife
SA, 160 posts
21 Jun 2012 11:38PM
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hey

maybe this will help on self-launching. tried it last week and worked fine for me



hope it helps

eppo
WA, 9793 posts
21 Jun 2012 10:32PM
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Craig66 said...

www.msrgear.com/ie/msr-warehouse-sale/toughstake-snow-and-sand-tent-stakes/toughstake.html

google is your friend

or better still hook onto the good old tank trap












Classic.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
21 Jun 2012 10:35PM
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Saffer said...

If you're gonna do it, use a wombat ground anchor. It holds 500KG's which is higher than the breaking strain of your lines. If it pulls that it, you don't want to be attached to it.


But not greater than the combined breaking strain of four or five lines. If I go a tethered launch I use a short rope between the chicken loop and anchor (car) as a sacrificial link. But when there is room I'm also working on a proper self launch without waveslave's woooosh.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
22 Jun 2012 7:48AM
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Chris6791 said...

Saffer said...

If you're gonna do it, use a wombat ground anchor. It holds 500KG's which is higher than the breaking strain of your lines. If it pulls that it, you don't want to be attached to it.


But not greater than the combined breaking strain of four or five lines. If I go a tethered launch I use a short rope between the chicken loop and anchor (car) as a sacrificial link. But when there is room I'm also working on a proper self launch without waveslave's woooosh.


True. But if the kite generates enough power to pull a 500kg stake out of the ground (I.e. a squall), would you even want to be attached to it?

NickT
WA, 1094 posts
22 Jun 2012 6:32AM
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Depends on what conditions you plan to use it? I wouldn't recommend self launching in over 40kts either especially on a weed littered winter beach, kite buddy is the only way in serious winds. One launches, puts their kite on the side then holds the kite for the other one.

I made one a few years ago similar to a wombat and was using it on a typical Perth winters day, went to the kite and turned it over, all was sweet with the kite on the edge of the window, then as I prepared to return to the kite it did a complete 180 and drove full speed at head height into a sign destroying itself (so much power, would have hated being attached). I think as it was gusty an the kite was bouncing a little the bar jammed in the sand and turned the kite.
Like i said I would have hated to have been attached with a similar scenario from self launching, these anchors can work well but the bar should be able to float freely.

Buddy is still the best option, and can assist if it goes tits up in the water also!

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
22 Jun 2012 8:36AM
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NickT said...

Depends on what conditions you plan to use it? I wouldn't recommend self launching in over 40kts either especially on a weed littered winter beach, kite buddy is the only way in serious winds. One launches, puts their kite on the side then holds the kite for the other one.

I made one a few years ago similar to a wombat and was using it on a typical Perth winters day, went to the kite and turned it over, all was sweet with the kite on the edge of the window, then as I prepared to return to the kite it did a complete 180 and drove full speed at head height into a sign destroying itself (so much power, would have hated being attached). I think as it was gusty an the kite was bouncing a little the bar jammed in the sand and turned the kite.
Like i said I would have hated to have been attached with a similar scenario from self launching, these anchors can work well but the bar should be able to float freely.

Buddy is still the best option, and can assist if it goes tits up in the water also!


Tend to agree. I don't think it's worth self launching using any method in over 30, let alone 40 knots. There is just too much that can go wrong.

kitingtopher
SA, 313 posts
22 Jun 2012 8:59AM
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kite potentialised by being mounted to a fixed point. big gust , (w) anker lets go and flies though the air with the greatest of ease, can't see why that would not work.

Puetz
NT, 2186 posts
22 Jun 2012 9:33AM
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... another factor to take into account, and that is the type of kite your attaching to the anchor point. Some kites just don't stay down! Talk about woooosh!

cheers,

Robbie

hamburglar
ACT, 2174 posts
22 Jun 2012 10:55AM
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if you can't self launch and land in any kitable wind with appropriate
size kite for conditions then maybe you shouldn't be out there

in high wind is best not to go alone any way ,and is more fun with
a mate to verify your mega boost..........


Martyflyer
NSW, 131 posts
22 Jun 2012 11:00AM
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The only way i can see it being safe is if you leave the boat attached to the anchor too

eppo
WA, 9793 posts
22 Jun 2012 9:15AM
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Martyflyer said...

The only way i can see it being safe is if you leave the boat attached to the anchor too





and the boat attached to a jetty!

tomstheword
QLD, 31 posts
22 Jun 2012 11:20AM
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I have been taught that if your self launching and worried about it going wrong, attach the safety line to your leash (non-suicide) but instead of hooking in, hold onto the closed chicken loop with your fingers and if anything goes wrong it will be ripped out of your hand and straight to flagged. Haven't tried it but sounds almost idiot proof.

austin
671 posts
22 Jun 2012 9:28AM
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i use anything solid on the beach, fence post, towball, fixed wheelie bin, sign posts. and if not the good old wooooosh swing around. sand on the wing tip is another if its a bit strong for the woooosh.

Tumalowlow
WA, 24 posts
22 Jun 2012 10:01AM
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Yeah I use the wombat aswell, that thing will never get pulled out, like you said your lines will snap first. I lost the t-bar screw in driver so have to get another one for next summer when it starts howling again

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
22 Jun 2012 10:08AM
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Saffer said...

Chris6791 said...

Saffer said...

If you're gonna do it, use a wombat ground anchor. It holds 500KG's which is higher than the breaking strain of your lines. If it pulls that it, you don't want to be attached to it.


But not greater than the combined breaking strain of four or five lines. If I go a tethered launch I use a short rope between the chicken loop and anchor (car) as a sacrificial link. But when there is room I'm also working on a proper self launch without waveslave's woooosh.


True. But if the kite generates enough power to pull a 500kg stake out of the ground (I.e. a squall), would you even want to be attached to it?


No, definitely not, but if I'm attached to it I've got half a chance of controlling it or dumping it, same as if I was in the water in the same squall. The problem with the tethered launch is the run from the kite back to the bar where you have no control over anything.

I mix my launches up depending on time, place, circumstance. Sometimes tethered, sometimes wooooosh, usually with a buddy but always with safety in mind. I've had one tethered launch go wrong, I think a bit of weed pinched a couple of lines together without me realising. The kite was ripped from my hands and started rocketing right through the wind window and slamming into the ground on both sides back and forwards. After a few slams the link between the car and chicken loop snapped and the kite fell harmlessly from the sky.

Tumalowlow
WA, 24 posts
22 Jun 2012 10:12AM
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Or your rope inbetween....

wishy
WA, 1501 posts
22 Jun 2012 10:39AM
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NickT said...

Depends on what conditions you plan to use it? I wouldn't recommend self launching in over 40kts either especially on a weed littered winter beach, kite buddy is the only way in serious winds. One launches, puts their kite on the side then holds the kite for the other one.

I made one a few years ago similar to a wombat and was using it on a typical Perth winters day, went to the kite and turned it over, all was sweet with the kite on the edge of the window, then as I prepared to return to the kite it did a complete 180 and drove full speed at head height into a sign destroying itself (so much power, would have hated being attached). I think as it was gusty an the kite was bouncing a little the bar jammed in the sand and turned the kite.
Like i said I would have hated to have been attached with a similar scenario from self launching, these anchors can work well but the bar should be able to float freely.

Buddy is still the best option, and can assist if it goes tits up in the water also!


What if your buddy doesn't want to go with you on a particular sunday because it's blowing 70 knots on rotto?

eppo
WA, 9793 posts
22 Jun 2012 10:47AM
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wishy said...

NickT said...

Depends on what conditions you plan to use it? I wouldn't recommend self launching in over 40kts either especially on a weed littered winter beach, kite buddy is the only way in serious winds. One launches, puts their kite on the side then holds the kite for the other one.

I made one a few years ago similar to a wombat and was using it on a typical Perth winters day, went to the kite and turned it over, all was sweet with the kite on the edge of the window, then as I prepared to return to the kite it did a complete 180 and drove full speed at head height into a sign destroying itself (so much power, would have hated being attached). I think as it was gusty an the kite was bouncing a little the bar jammed in the sand and turned the kite.
Like i said I would have hated to have been attached with a similar scenario from self launching, these anchors can work well but the bar should be able to float freely.

Buddy is still the best option, and can assist if it goes tits up in the water also!


What if your buddy doesn't want to go with you on a particular sunday because it's blowing 70 knots on rotto?










Not everyone is nuts like you wishy!



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