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Created by alverstone > 9 months ago, 8 Feb 2013
alverstone
WA, 533 posts
8 Feb 2013 2:58PM
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Kite makers and designers take note.
Pumps and bags are not afterthoughts. They are intrinsic elements to enjoying your products.
A pump that fails after three months makes me think the brand doesn't care about their product enough to make sure this VITAL part of kiting doesn't cr*p itself as soon as it sees a beach.
The design of bags should be a priority as this is where you stick your valuables -mobile for emergencies, water, spare hat, sunnies, choccy bars, ect. So please, no more 5th rate zips that let your goodies spill into the sand, toggle openings into which you cannot fit your kite unless you pack it like it's windless conditions in the factory and straps all over the place.
May I suggest the following be standard:
- It's much bigger than the bleedin' folded kite so you can fit a wettie and a harness at least.
- Designers ask kiters what they need from a bag and what is awful about the bad ones - just like Honda did with its post-sale customer support.
- Cabrinha's U-shaped zip that opens the top entirely so you can put in the kite without perfect folding.
- Naish's elasticated staps for the bottom of where you attach bar and pump on the outside of the bag.
- REALLY BIG toggles at the end of zips for cold fingers.
- Ultra secret pouch for your valuables and 'personal lifestyle choice' kiting undergarments .

suface2air
QLD, 701 posts
8 Feb 2013 5:10PM
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All my cabrinha bags have a lot of room and you can put pump on side with clips and ya bar on the other side also you can strap your board on it as well . all bags should do away with steel zips and have good extreemly good plastic ones with velcro . The steel ones are a pain when you forget to oil them in the off season and go to have a kite in the summer and have to get into it with brute force (mental note i might go and lube them now again ) . You can even leave struts pumped up and still fit in bag .
Just go and buy a cab bag no worrys but here ya on the pumps too.

Juddy
WA, 1103 posts
8 Feb 2013 3:13PM
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I'd be very keen to see a reworked/redesigned Slingshot bag that allows for an internal sleeve type thing for the bar & pump. IMO, it shouldn't be so hard for manufacturers to sort out.

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
8 Feb 2013 3:23PM
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suface2air said...
Just go and buy a cab bag no worrys but here ya on the pumps too.


I tried a few perth shops just this morning to see if anyone had any kite bags for sale and nothing.. Mine's seen better days and would maybe like a bit more room so kite slips in a bit easier.

One guy had one yesterday that had bar / board / pump sitting really neatly.

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
8 Feb 2013 6:04PM
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The new Cab bags and pumps are sick.

alverstone
WA, 533 posts
8 Feb 2013 4:21PM
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Paul1 said...
The new Cab bags and pumps are sick.


I'll take a punt and conclude that by "sick" you mean "good" and not suffering from mild dose of malaria. Yes, Cabrinhas are getting close to what is needed - just wish you could get a new one when the old one goes SNAFU.

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
8 Feb 2013 6:23PM
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No mate, I mean they are perfect for puking in after a big night out.....

puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
8 Feb 2013 4:30PM
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MDSXR6T said...

I tried a few perth shops just this morning to see if anyone had any kite bags for sale and nothing.. Mine's seen better days and would maybe like a bit more room so kite slips in a bit easier.



We have the BWS haversack backpak - no sleeve for the bar but great quality backpack.

Aaron18
SA, 80 posts
8 Feb 2013 7:01PM
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have a look at the wakeboarding brand bags like liquid force wake and ml watersports and there's heaps of other brands

GMK-KiteSurf
NSW, 129 posts
8 Feb 2013 8:48PM
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I have Cab Kites and there Bags are Great ! Everything packs away easily and I have room for other stuff.

bennie
ACT, 1258 posts
8 Feb 2013 9:43PM
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slightly off topic but I need a new pump, who makes the best pumps these days. I am interested in quality over price.

KiteDesigner
NSW, 169 posts
8 Feb 2013 10:54PM
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alverstone said...

Kite makers and designers take note.
Hmmmm... ok

So please, no more 5th rate zips that let your goodies spill into the sand, toggle openings into which you cannot fit your kite unless you pack it like it's windless conditions in the factory and straps all over the place.
May I suggest the following be standard:

- It's much bigger than the bleedin' folded kite so you can fit a wettie and a harness at least.
DONE

- Designers ask kiters what they need from a bag and what is awful about the bad ones - just like Honda did with its post-sale customer support.
DONE

- Cabrinha's U-shaped zip that opens the top entirely so you can put in the kite without perfect folding.
What about a front zip so you can unzip the entire front of the bag? as well as a top opening? DONE

- Naish's elasticated staps for the bottom of where you attach bar and pump on the outside of the bag.
DONE

- REALLY BIG toggles at the end of zips for cold fingers.
How about big easy grab zips? DONE

- Ultra secret pouch for your valuables and 'personal lifestyle choice' kiting undergarments .
DONE

+Plus mesh bar holder that lets the sand out

+Plus ajustable straps x 2 to attach TT or surfboard onto the backpac for long hikes or used to compress the bag for air travel

+Plus comfi double straps for for backpack style carying of all the stuff on long hikes


Question: what would a kite bag like that be worth? $40? $80? $120?





8 Feb 2013 11:08PM
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Not meant as a pimp post, but seriously, check out the 2013 and 2012 Ozone bags.
No zips!!!
Mesh panels to let your kite air and dry, internal drawstring sleeve for the bar.
Bag comes in 2 sizes one for 11 and up one for 10 and down, with plenty or room without being silly big.
Pump holder on the outside, compression straps that can hold a board. Very comfy shoulder straps
Retails for $149 on its own. Ozone inner bags with compressions straps and drawstring top also sold separately great for travel and much kinder to kites that vac bags.

Kite bags with zips are just wrong IMO, bag style/size zips were never meant to cope with sand and salt water.

8 Feb 2013 11:18PM
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bennie said...
slightly off topic but I need a new pump, who makes the best pumps these days. I am interested in quality over price.



North/Slingy/Ozone/Naish/Crazy Fly/Core/F-One/Best all look identical and are no doubt made in the same factory. The parts are all interchangeable. They are all good quality, but sand inside will kill any of them. Don't spray them with Inox/WD40/Silicone, clean with newspaper and then smear Vaseline inside and on the piston and the shaft. Keep the pump clean and well lubed and they can last well over a season.
Cabrinha have a new design this year but it essentially the same type of pump. Hopefully version 2 will address some issues, but otherwise its a good pump and comes with the usual excellent Cab warranty!
Avoid any pump with a plastic shaft or any of the really short ones unless you really like to work you back out and pump 50% more to inflate you kite.
Keep everything clean and free of sand, especially valves on kites where you connect the pump hose direct to the valve on the kite like Core/Cab/LF, and out of those the LF has to be the most troublesome design and a nightmare for repairs and repairers.

orynoco
QLD, 271 posts
8 Feb 2013 11:17PM
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Both ozone and wainman have it sussed, a nice looking 'proper backpack bag' and a big ass wet bag you can fold up your kite as quickly as you like and jamm it in. Simple.

eppo
WA, 9793 posts
8 Feb 2013 9:40PM
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Yeh I don't see the prob. Ozone edge. Roll in both sides, one fold, put on supplied strap if you must and straight in? Always used ozone pumps even with other brands I've used. Rate them. Then again they are all probably the same.

I take off pump pipe (stop it kinking) and put that in bag. Attach pump to bag with thingy ma job elastic thingies. Easy.

orynoco
QLD, 271 posts
8 Feb 2013 11:47PM
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^^Supplied strap, Wat!! i've been using that as a belt for two years now. No signs of flutter and turns like a 9!!!!

windwatching
WA, 24 posts
9 Feb 2013 8:13AM
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Just buy wainman

suface2air
QLD, 701 posts
9 Feb 2013 10:48AM
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for you bennie the best pump ever

www.awesomekitepump.com

SpaceCoyote
VIC, 147 posts
9 Feb 2013 11:56AM
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One thing that ozone bag is missing is outside pocket for the bar. Hate stuffing wet sandy bar inside the bag after a session.

eppo
WA, 9793 posts
9 Feb 2013 9:43AM
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Bar stays in foot strap of board or just put in car separate for washing. I think that is more or a travel thingy than a daily use storage.

default
WA, 1255 posts
9 Feb 2013 11:05AM
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Those inner bags ozone used to provide for free, now optional extra are the bomb.

If had the choice I'd just take inners instead of the outer.. Never use the outer and have held onto my old inners and all I use, just much tidier in the garage or car

craggers
WA, 475 posts
9 Feb 2013 3:52PM
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Milk crate. Ocky straps. shut ya whinging.

zarb
NSW, 703 posts
9 Feb 2013 8:46PM
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I'm happy with my Ozone bag. Kite fits with only one fold, no zips, place to strap the board. Elastic for the pump. Just would like a pocket for keys and phone.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
9 Feb 2013 5:50PM
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I also read this and though "well Ozone bag pretty much has all of that".
I can fit an 11 and 13 in one bag fairly easily for a walk down to the beach when I don't know the conditions and the pump and bar fit easily on the side. The only thing I could ask for is 1 more little pocket inside for keys or mobile phone as I don't like scrabbling through the larger one haha.

eppo
WA, 9793 posts
9 Feb 2013 8:25PM
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zarb said...
I'm happy with my Ozone bag. Kite fits with only one fold, no zips, place to strap the board. Elastic for the pump. Just would like a pocket for keys and phone.




Zara there is a bag inside, where you can put your keys. Me I leave them in a spot in the car, if some ****wit takes my bag ( like my sunnies today, as I said ****wit) it creates a hell of a problem.

rod_bunny
WA, 1089 posts
9 Feb 2013 8:32PM
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I got some bags custom made for me by Jon at www.buggybags.co.uk (Back in about 2005/6)

Barrel Bags - just like the ones the Peter Lynn Guerillas came in

Still used them for my current pump up kites, and other things.
Strap 2 together with your harness and board and they become a backpack!



pedleym
WA, 168 posts
10 Feb 2013 11:49AM
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had a few kites now
and the best i have found is the wainman bag
other manufacturers need to take note of this bag there is alway plenty of room.
my fat lady fits the gypsy bag
zip pocket for the bar and good system for securing the pump
sorry kitepower but the new ozone bag is not very good it needs a zip on the side.



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