Several early reviews from OS are suggesting that the new SS Rally is a boosting machine. Hope so. The new shape would tend to back this up. It certainly looks like something a bit outside the square.
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Hi guys, some funny replies, but not a lot that are helpful. The main factor in goo g big is NOT the kite, it's the riders technique and skill. The guys that go 'ken massive will go huge on any kite. Having said that, a good boosting kite will help a skilled rider to go bigger but will be of no benefit whatsoever to a novice.
My advice is to find a rider who goes huge and preferably an instructor, and ask them to coach you. A good instructor will get you going big on even a school kite. You can't buy height, you earn it with experience and knowledge. Search my site kiteboardingschool.com.au for tips on going big, it'll help.
Work on control in overpowered conditions (board and kite). This is the building blocks to going huge.
Inhave cheap big boosting kites new and second hand for sale, but they won't help you until you have great technique.
Keep at it and good luck.
KH
Hi Colin,
Boosting huge isn't just one thing, there are a heap of different things in both boards and kites which contribute to big boosting.
Technique- Holding an edge at speed under complete control when you are really overpowered in usually choppy water.
Board- Usually something that can handle chopy water ie, a softer flex with a nice hard rail, single concave and larger fins 50mm +.
Kite- A boosting kite usually has big power either static (Parked power) or Dynamic (apparent wind power). It will also have good depower. If in a static power type kite such as Core GT, you need to have complete depower so you can shut it almost off when over powered, or, in the case of the dynamic power kite such as an Ozone Edge II, the ability to be able to edge the kite to the neutral to depower it. This style of kite often doesn't have complete depower but you can slow them down to reduce their power as their power comes from speed.
There are also two types of going big. Kites that will throw you up there like a rag doll to heights of nose bleed, and often drop you just as fast
, and kites which will lift you up, not quite as high as the other style but will give you crazy hangtime and really nice floaty glide style jumps with a softer landing.
Truly massive comes from timing, control, kite skill and confidence. Timing because jumping big is all about the take off which is a product of timing mostly, control of the board and kite in raging conditions, kite skill of knowing how, when, and where to position the kite for maximum effect when jumping, and finally, the confidence to go out in really over powered conditions AND CONTROL IT!
Three examples of kites of different types
Going High : Core GT 7m in 35 knots
Going for Hangtime : Ozone Edge II 11m in 30 knots
Not designed for going big : Eclipse Kima (Wave Kite)
Like I said, there is a lot to going really huge, and as a novice you need to work on the basics before worrying about the technical advantages of performance wings.
Work on your edging and take off, it's where big boosts begin ![]()
www.kiteboardingschool.com.au/index.php/intermediate-rider-tricks/tip-1-boosting-better-jumps.html
Hope this makes sense.
KH
1. Wait for day when Kite hard has been locked up in the AKS van working too hard
2. Make sure the wind is steadily increasing so that all lessons have to be cancelled
3. Open beer and pack your kite
4. Sit and wait for him to stroll up to a 7 or 9
5. When the sun is near setting the magic of boosting will unfold.
Ah I can't wait for summer... my 5 has been lonely
p.s. you shouldn't physically 'jump', it's more the kite pulls you way from the water while you hold edging. I find looking the opposite way to the way I'm jumping can help resist the urge to release too early.
also when you get decent, kiteloops allow for extra air time. They also allow you to feel the full force of water at high speeds. Make sure you are well away from anyone else when you try them.
Kitehard is on the money here with the jumping advice ....but so far i note there is 1 really important thing missing. Jumping real big without good landing technique can hurt........alot!! landing cleanly is all timing aswell. The higher you go the more important the timing. You can just redirect and dive or you can loop. A loop gone wrong from a great height can hurt.....alot!! Looping is as much about comitting as it is timing. Pulling out of a loop from a great height hurts ...alot!! Whilst Kitehard is right on the money that nearly any kite can jump high with good technique, when it comes to looping not all kites are born equal!.
Agree with rusty7's remarks on landing. For me, my confidence to go big started to increase a lot when I decided to work on my landings rather than my take-offs. I'm still developing on this front, but as I get better at pulling myself onto axis and steering the kite to where I want it as I land I feel better about going for larger and faster jumps. Landing parachute style is easy. Landing when you're travelling fast downwind and across the wind takes a lot more skill in controlling your own position and that of the kite. Having said that, it's a great feeling to nail a landing at at full speed and throw some spray as you carve smoothly back to your course across the wind with the kite fully powered in the middle of the window.
Actually Darren - you are correct
- it was the Light II I had tried (not sure if I had a fang on the XC).
Just thought you easily could have given all 3 examples from your own stable, as you suggest the Light II was average at boosting (and better at other facets most likely). That way it doesn't look like brand bashing.
Had sold for a brief time does not quite equate to am selling currently when pointing out a (possible) deficiency of a kite. ![]()
BTW I can understand your reluctance to post a percieved weakness online coz most kiters just don't want to face facts that if you push for too much peformance in one direction it will cost you somewhere else.
Pity more kiters aren't realistic, e.g. if you wanna go stratospheric with boosting don't neccesarily expect world class re-launch etc.
The Epic Screamer was designed for big airs and hangtime and gets lots of props in this category.
Dimitri posted some serious videos/shots of himself going totally bananas on it.
But then again the sirtaki man can boost to the moon on anything in 15 knots.. ![]()
eclipse Thruster is a goody for boosting. I have a 12m and it's a good kite with relatively easy altitude and mostly floaty long landings. I reckon the 10m would be spot on for Perf as far as agility and shear sending it oomfarama goes.![]()
Unfortunately their relaunch is very average and they don't have complete depower.. so you get some boost but you pay a little with ease of use etc. Most kite brands will offer you sumpin similar as a trade off for their boosty kites.
Again Darren is spot on. The biggest boosts I have had were on my ol' 9m 2005 Yarga C kite. Twas a great kite but I reckon it was coz I had 3 yrs on it and just grew to know how to handle that kite.
interesting topic this one ....there are so many factors to consider.... Kitehard touched on the board and fins. The board and fin combination does make a huge difference to both take off and landing. I used a mate's 2007 North Xride once in light winds and noticed what a great board it was for boosting compared to my own boards at the time. It had these big ol swept back surf fins on it. It held its edge really well and cut really quickly and had nice flexy tips allowing good pop. More recently when I changed boards to my new underground styx my landings improved. I noticed i was landing much hotter than before and holding it, which gave me a lot more confidence with learning kite loops, and later transfered to my Trusty TB which is probably the slipperest board around.
The carboards I have tried also work well in these conditions and they are popular amongst the big jumpers on my beach. I ride in big chop most of the time, so you really have to cut quick to get a good take off and have to really spot your landing well as the conditions change so quickly under you. So I am looking for a board that will bite quickly on landing as well as cut quick. For my conditions flexible tips and big fins with a stiff sharp edge is the best option. I rode alot of boards last season and there is a huge difference in how well I was able to jump and land on individual boards.
And for Funky's benefit I can confirm that the Ozone catalyst (formerly the light), is a pretty respectable boosting kite in high winds. Not a patch on the C4 or the Edge but it doesn't dissapoint either. And yes the 2008 light was pretty poor in this regard. But it was designed as a surf kite where it performed really well, so like any sporting equipment.....horses for courses.