Watching NZ hand it to US?https://www.americascup.com
Poor coverage in Aus, don't have Fox.
Anyone know if the app is worthwhile for viewing?
Backing NZ so can see next one nearby, regardless of Spithill skippering Oracle
Yes it's very good, you can in-app buy Day 2 of racing video for only $11. 
In case case you missed the challenger final series, they are only $6 each.
This is free, not HD
Try cricfree.sc/watch/live/35th-americas-cup-2017-live-streaming
It's got some annoying pop ups, just click the little cross boxes and they go away.
Select to expand quoteAgent nods said..
This is free, not HD
Try cricfree.sc/watch/live/35th-americas-cup-2017-live-streaming
It's got some annoying pop ups, just click the little cross boxes and they go away.
do you have to sign up?
Would have been great to see some of the J class regatta, they really are beautiful.
Select to expand quoteSectorsteve said..Agent nods said..
This is free, not HD
Try cricfree.sc/watch/live/35th-americas-cup-2017-live-streaming
It's got some annoying pop ups, just click the little cross boxes and they go away.
do you have to sign up?
no totally free....just need to piss off the pop ups....look for little "x" and click off
Sign up to Sailing Anarchy, go to the forums...AC Anarchy...in there you will find a thread where a guy called Rudder_NZ has recorded each race and downloaded to Google Drive and also supplied a torrent!!!
It's been my morning staple viewing over a coffee!!!
GO TNZ!!!
Oracle might be full of Aussies but I'm over Spithill and his arrogance and hopefully when TNZ win they will make atleast 50% of crew have to be from country of origin and we can get an Aussie boat with Slingsby or Outteridge or both involved!!!
I thought Artemis being driven by Outteridge had huge potential, not enough time methinks.
Go the kiwis!
Slingsby, Outerridge, Jensen, Ashby, fabulous sailors all. Please leave Spithill over there for the US team.
If you use a VPN and connect to Sweden you can watch the whole series live streaming for $6.99USD on the official channel.
The ridiculous thing is that the countries where the audience is (Oz NZ USA UK) are geo blocked. I think they need to find a better way than donating huge profits to fox etc by trying to force us to subscribe.
And I was pleased to hear Dennis Connor call the series a circus and hope NZ wins. Hopefully back to real boats.
TMZ just thrashed hired guns Helmsman Spithill Tactician Slingsby and co. in the race 5 just now. Looks like Oracle tried to copy TMZs rudder design since they got beaten last week making Oracle a bit faster.
Despite that TMZ beat Spithill across the start line, Spithill even crossed early, then halfway through race Oracle made a tactical blunder and got forced away from TMZ losing more ground. Oracle also dug a bow in on one tack losing a lot of speed.
the only bas thing out of this is with an aussie crew on usa boat we will have every kiwi saying hoaw they flogged us 
Select to expand quoteTrek said..
Hopefully back to real boats.
Cats = real boats.
Whether they should be in the AC is another story, though.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..Trek said..
Hopefully back to real boats.
Cats = real boats.
Whether they should be in the AC is another story, though.
They need to appeal to the Facebook generation.
It'll be more cats and foiling methinks.
Some pretty compelling reasons the NZers may stick with the existing format
www.mysailing.com.au/america-s-cup/five-reasons-why-new-zealand-should-stick-with-acc-cats-for-the-36th-america-s-cup-match
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..Trek said..
Hopefully back to real boats.
Cats = real boats.
Whether they should be in the AC is another story, though.
Cats have no place in the America's Cup. I hope they do the decent thing and return to monohulls, preferably big expensive monohulls.
Select to expand quoteRingle said..Chris 249 said..Trek said..
Hopefully back to real boats.
Cats = real boats.
Whether they should be in the AC is another story, though.
They need to appeal to the Facebook generation.
It'll be more cats and foiling methinks.
I've got four kids in the Facebook generation. They've moved out but we often get my wife's 20-something postgrad students coming over or staying here for weeks at a time, and I sail with other Facebook generation people and have run championships for them.
They actually seem to be just like my generation most of the time. More of them sail Lasers than anything else. The claims that they are doing 'extreme' sports are largely down to dubious studies that classify old sports like skating and windsurfing as modern exteme sports, as far as I can see.
In fact kids these days are less active, with less leisure time due to so many of them working part time, and young adults are facing higher costs for education and housing. In that environment, they can't get very excited about an extremely expensive and difficult form of sailing.
There are several national studies about the sports that young adults want to do. They want to do things like camping, backpacking, cycling and canoeing, none of which are extreme.
Select to expand quoteRingle said..Chris 249 said..Trek said..
Hopefully back to real boats.
Cats = real boats.
Whether they should be in the AC is another story, though.
They need to appeal to the Facebook generation.
It'll be more cats and foiling methinks.
I think you are right, thats why they did it. But appealing to the masses to get money and publicity isnt always the right thing.
I was a member of a beautiful sailing club for years. The board decided time to "improve" it and dropped the membership to $5, got in a pro club manager to run it instead of a sailor and advertised to the public. Within a year it was no different to a any other public bar full of drunks who had no idea about sailing. It wasnt a club for sailors any more.
We dont need to modify sailing to appeal to masses, we need the masses to realise how good it is already.
Americas Cup is the same. Pushing a big monohull over the line first takes just as much skill as a cat. (And cat=boat!). The existing race format and the history it carries could have been marketed much better. After all people watch cricket for hours and hours and nothing happens at all 
Select to expand quoteAshleyM said..
Cats have no place in the America's Cup. I hope they do the decent thing and return to monohulls, preferably big expensive monohulls.
There's always the sydney to hobart if people want to watch a relaxing, polite (slow) gentlemans race.
Select to expand quoteFelixdeCat said..AshleyM said..
Cats have no place in the America's Cup. I hope they do the decent thing and return to monohulls, preferably big expensive monohulls.
There's always the sydney to hobart if people want to watch a relaxing, polite (slow) gentlemans race.
Cats have every place in the Americas cup I reckon.
The Americas cup is about innovation as much as it is about 2 boats against each other, and the new boats add a new level of excitement to the spectating/racing.
Speaking as a cat sailor, having cats in the AC is like having F1 cars in motorbike races. Yes, they are faster - but it's not their race so they shouldn't be there. Or perhaps like having kitefoilers win all the A Class and Moth races.
When the cats were dropped from the Olympics there was an uproar from cat sailors because they said that cat sailing was a completely separate discipline. And when the C Class cats were dropped from the Little America's Cup in favour of F18HT cats, there was an uproar from cat sailors because they said an event created by one class should not be taken over by another. So it's complete and utter hypocrisy for cat sailors to applaud when cats take over an event created by another form of sailing.
The overwhelming (and growing) majority of sailors sail keelboats. It makes sense that the major event is in the most popular type of boat. More sailors can relate to the AC if it's in keelboats. More owners can move up. More technology that can be used by the typical sailor can move up and down.
There's also the issue that independent studies show that most non-sailors are scared of sailing. Promoting scary boats makes that worse. Even sailing as a whole and cat racing in particular is shrinking since cats got into the AC, at least in Australia and England. It's not working to promote the sport.
Sailing and promotion shouldn't be used in the same sentence.
All of the top 3 AC boats had Australian skippers yet we didn't have a team and there was zero coverage on TV. We have numerous gold medal winning Olympic sailers yet the public couldn't name one sailor.
Sailing hasn't even maintained its fringe position in Australia's sporting landscape.
I like the foiling cats but as exciting as we think it is the public doesn't. What sporting event broadcast is limited to trophy raising with no footage of the actual sport?
Sailing slower monohulls is even more boring to the public. I'd stick with fast boats and try and get more entries.
Granted it wasn't an americas cup race, but the schooner "America" didn't belong in amongst the British fleet either. It was in a class of its own in its day.
The Americas cup boat of choice has always been a changing beast. Putting aside a few botch ups where they've put two completely different craft up against each other (and one has left the other for dead) the platform has nearly always been two boats similarly matched, but with room to innovate.
I dont think it's a case of the public being scared of sailing at all. I think it's far more a case of sailing being too hard to understand, and being generally boring to watch, I'm a mono sailor, but monohulls currently don't provide the excitement these boats do in the Americas cup.
I'd really like to know where this sentimental notion that the Americas cup should always be raced in monohulls is coming from? As much as it's what's happened in the past, it's never been a race held back by sentimental ideas. 
To to me the Americas cup has always seemed to be the pinnacle of yacht racing. people throwing money into boats to see if they can go faster than their opponent. It is the F1 race of the yachting world.
America was just the best of several ocean-going schooners in the race in which she won the Cup. For decades after that, the AC boats were pretty much just normal boats from the biggest inshore racing class that was active. They normally used the same rating rules and concepts as the normal club-racing boats, rather than being radically different like the AC50 cats.
There's been three independent studies, in three different countries, that I know of that show that people associate sailing with danger.
I'm a cat sailor/owner/racer as well as a mono sailer but I felt bored by the AC50s. If other people like them that's cool, but they bored lots of people as shown by the poor US TV ratings. Swimming, dogs jumping through hoops and sports like that rated higher. Coutts was trying to excite American young adults, but the sports they want to do are cycling, camping, kayaking, backpacking - nothing extreme like the AC50s. They want to do things they can achieve, not things they can't do or afford like sailing foiling cats.
The AC has often been had a lot of sentiment attached to it. Have you read John Nicholson's account of the last meeting between his father and fellow AC designer Nat Herreshoff? Have you read Francis Herreshoff's letter about British AC skipper Sir Peter Scott, or about Lipton's last challenge?
If you take away all the tradition of the AC, what do you have? It's just an ugly and fairly cheap bit of old tin, and the last event proved that you can't make money out of it like you can with F1.
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