Hi all.
I've been a member here since buying my Chriscraft/S&S 36 3 years ago. I've had amazing advice along the way, it was/is my first boat. I've had 2 successful winters cruising the QLD coast and now feel ready for the next step.
2017 I plan on sailing to Vanautu.
A major problem is thought that Nautilus is only QLD registered. Getting her Australian registered is a major hassle if even possible(Shes's 40 years old, had multiple owners worldwide) and costs a bunch or time and money.
I have a New Zealand passport though and after some quick research it seems I could have Nautilus registered as I NZ boat with next to no hassle(all online) and costing around NZ$500 for 5 years.
Has anyone done or had experience with this?
Thanks in advance.
>Vernon
perhaps another way to look at the situation maybe to sell your boat and buy another O.S. from some of the Islands.
I have heard that a few USA boats get to some of the Island and fly home after selling their boat cheaply
Just a thought
Dexport, whats the problem with leaving it QLD registered?
Mines NSW registered and I didnt know there could be problems to sail O.S. with a state registered boat.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that if I wanted to enter a foreign country my ships registration papers must show that I have properly and formally "cleared" the vessel via Aussie Customs and Immigration. It's like flying out of a local Aus airport in a private plane and then landing in NZ. In NZ you'd be detained as an illegal alien. Same with a boat and every one on board. Sure, we may not need a personal visa but the boat probably needs papers.
I am sure that a state registered boat cannot be processed by the Federal Gov depts.
As I understand it, I cannot even enter Port Moresby without Australian registration and also having cleared Aus Customs & Immigration.
A bloody pain but I suspect that this is how things are.
I'd be really grateful if someone would prove me wrong.
from the AMSA website.
Ability to sail overseas
It is an offence for an Australian-owned vessel to sail for a foreign port unless it is registered in the Australian Register of Ships.Please note: Vessels purchased overseas by Australians are also required to be registered before they sail for Australia or another foreign country.
You can take a non registered boat to another country....but you will have to pay any duty and GST for the country concerned. Depending on the country you may claim it back (some countries if if you legally can - good luck getting it back of the tax man).
I have heard some USA cruisers visiting Aust have paid a bond that they can get back when they leave - probably because they where not on the register?
Sorry about the thread drift ( sort of) but that Buchanan is dead set gorgeous inside !!!
On the AMSA site it implies that for boats less than 24m Australian registration is voluntary, but advisable because - quote:
What is the purpose of ship registration?
The purpose of Shipping Registration in Australia is to grant ships Australian nationality. It also allows for Australian ships to fly the Australian National Flag or the Australian Red Ensign in accordance with Australia's obligations under article 91 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982, to which Australia is a party. When a ship is registered in Australia it receives legally recognisable Australian nationality, giving it advantages at home and abroad. The ship will be accorded Australian protection on the high seas and in foreign ports.
My next door neighbour has his 47 footer registered for overseas travel. He has
a No painted on it beginning with OS, I presume this is an Australian Shipping
Registration No. He told me you can't sail overseas without one.
Just rang ASMA on 02 6279 5000.
The guy was friendly and helpful.
ANY vessel, not being on an indigenous journey ( eg canoe from Cape York to , say, Port Moresby) OR otherwise (non-indigenous) any row boat doing a trans Tasman crossing) out of Aust Territorial Waters and subsequently entering a foreign port (eg Wellington New Zealand)....irrespective of length, even three metres, if not an Australian registered ship.....commits an offence.
The suggestion was that upon entry to the foreign port, without proper AMSA papers, would be seized.
So from the horses mouth, aus registration req 'd for all vessels if you wish to enter any foreign country unless doing so on the quiet....illegal immigrant !
The guy said. "It's the vessels passport just like the owner needing a valid passport".
Thanks Brian, handy to know. My dream of waking up one morning and sailing to NZ just got more complicated :-)
Welcome Trek.
The RORC trip....right around of Bay of Islands?
Just loved Aotearoa by push bike. Esp Mt Cook and the bloody Kea birds which chewed my bike to bits !!
Had to bus it back to CC.
It's OK to take an non Australian registered boat overseas...I bought a 52' Ranger in Australia and took it across the Coral Sea to PNG, but on the "Loud" clearing Australian customs (which took forever!) and informing customs and immigration in PNG, and then paying the 10% GST, as it was staying there.
But I was told if I did bring it back to Australia, if I presented all the clearing documents I got when I left we would avoid the GST on Return.
PS Brian the Buchanan was Ok in side the photo's in gallery are a boat I would Like...BUT not maintain!
Thanks guys.
I knew already that a vessel needs to be nationally registered to travel overseas without hassle, wether NZ, OZ or otherwise.
My problem is that as I'm not and Australian citizen it would be difficult to register Nautilus as an Australian vessel.
Its easy to register a boat in NZ but to be able to travel overseas the boat has to undergo a "out of water" test and the skipper has to have CAT1 papers.
What I was wondering is, does this apply if the boat in question is not in NZ and not going there in the near future?
I realise this question isn't really relevant to most here but I though maybe there were some kiwi lurking that might have faced a similar problem.
Friend of mine a kiwi just sailed from france to nz. Im interested to hear how. What etc. I guess his boat was french registered. Probably some "rainbow warrior" leniency. Once in nz, being a kiwi you may get hit with more duty than a foreigner i read.
I didnt think australia registration was an issue is it really?
From what i've read its a major pain in the backside. I'd need to provide details of all previous ownership(Nautilus is 40 years old and had multiple owners worldwide) There were about 30 pages of info I'd have to fill out. Plus I'm not an Australian citizen or resident. Plus there's a one off charge of $1300 then yearly costs.
For a sailing vessel that has never been Australian registered before the one off fee is $1,554.
There is no yearly costs. Change of address of the current owner is free, you have to post current registration certificate along with a filled in form to the shipping office in Canberra and they post you back a new certificate with your new address.
All of there forms, even the change of address, are hard to fill in. I recommend making an attempt to fill in the form, scanning it, and emailing to them in Canberra. They seem to try to hide their email address:
[email protected]
Then of course they will email you back and say you can't scan the document, you have to post it to them, but hopefully they will tell you all the mistakes you have made in filling in the form that you can correct before posting it.
The markings for a sailing vessel are also hard to figure out, fortunately it was discussed here earlier:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Sailing/General/Australian-Ship-Register-marking-requirements/
