I met this 53 year old retired realestate agent in Cairns 2024 with his first ever boat a lagoon 42. Looks like a change of plans now. He certainly lives life on the knife edge!
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I think he would be happier, faster with extra money in his pocket with a new Mumby 48 or similar.
Select to expand quoteEastCoastSail said..
I think he would be happier, faster with extra money in his pocket with a new Mumby 48 or similar.
He seems happy enough now. The sea trials are the next video so should be a hoot on Friday and sundays nights videos. I I personally prefer watching this kinda vlog than some couple trying to put a project boat back together! 
I really wonder how long he will last.
Realistically, how much champagne can you fit in that fridge?
gary
Oh my god - such stupidity shown here. Now don't get me wrong I LOVE trimarans. I got my first at 15 years old, my second at 21, lived on board that and cruised it for 2 years with a growing family and was designing a 40ft version for the next boat. My best friend asked me to build him a trimaran which I did. As I was drawing my 40ft tri (it had so far taken about 2 years to design) even my best friend who was also a tri lover said I would be happier on a cat - Blasphemy! So I drew the accomodation plan of a 35ft cat - within minutes I had more than twice the room of the tri, with greater payload, same performance, easier construction, less bea, less cost and more resale. Needless to say - even this tri lover built the cat.
What the Bogan doesn't get is that Lagoons are not the ultimate expression of multi design. For some reason he thinks if a Lagoon can't sail he needs a tri. This is so stupid it beggars belief. He could have got a Schionning, or Grainger, or Pescott, or Outremer, or Chamberlin cat. Any good Aussie desigmed and built cat.
I predict he will find the Dragonfly is incredibly hard to live on compared to the cat. It won't take anywhere as much payload, it will be less comfy underway, will be twitchier to sail and on top of this - not able to be driven hard enough in its overloaded cruising state to go fast anyway. Our 31ft racing tri cruised slower than our non racing but performance oriented cat. The Dragonfly will be dragging her bum and going slow but this is the main thing - if he does want his crew to stay on board after a couple of days - he will not be able to push the tri at all to get peak performance.
The other thing people don't get about tris is that the do not allow you to get away from each other. The cabin sole is probably about 40cm wide. This means EVERY time you want to move you have to ask your partner to move. My wife and I were in our 20s when we did but it got old very very quickly with others. It is great to go aboard a mono or cat and be able to move without needing to orchestrate the move with the rest of the crew. You are going to hate each other in a few weeks unless you are so in love but they don't tell you that in a brochure
The silly thing with wing masts and tense ropes in the cockpit and loud banging interiors and awfully light boats, is that they make you slow down. In order to live on our tri, we had to throttle her back almost all the time. We throttle our cat back over 15 knots upwind and 18 downwind. Otherwise my family would mutiny and get off. Performance boats need to be able to do serious speeds in choppy water with a minium of effort and motion. And you don't get that from a carbon tri over specced on sails and masts that is dragging her bum because she is heavy. Real performance comes from getting up to 8 knots quickly in nice light winds. You don't need a carbon tri to do this.
THis is a great example of following a silly deep dive on the net instead of looking around and talking to people who pass you in nice boats. Well, its his money to burn, and I think he is doing a good job of getting through it fast. The best way to get real performance is not to go carbon but to leave stuff behind. Make the boat lighter, cheaper and simple by keeping it simple - saves money and improves speed. Tris are a great buy for the singlehander or couple (you get all the shallow draft and speed advantages of a cat at cheap rates) , but get an Aussie one - a Simpson Liahona, a Chamberlin Cirro, or a Yank Harris is fine. But don't buy a tri because you think you will go faster - you won't.
Select to expand quoteKankama said..
Oh my god - such stupidity shown here. Now don't get me wrong I LOVE trimarans. I got my first at 15 years old, my second at 21, lived on board that and cruised it for 2 years with a growing family and was designing a 40ft version for the next boat. My best friend asked me to build him a trimaran which I did. As I was drawing my 40ft tri (it had so far taken about 2 years to design) even my best friend who was also a tri lover said I would be happier on a cat - Blasphemy! So I drew the accomodation plan of a 35ft cat - within minutes I had more than twice the room of the tri, with greater payload, same performance, easier construction, less bea, less cost and more resale. Needless to say - even this tri lover built the cat.
What the Bogan doesn't get is that Lagoons are not the ultimate expression of multi design. For some reason he thinks if a Lagoon can't sail he needs a tri. This is so stupid it beggars belief. He could have got a Schionning, or Grainger, or Pescott, or Outremer, or Chamberlin cat. Any good Aussie desigmed and built cat.
I predict he will find the Dragonfly is incredibly hard to live on compared to the cat. It won't take anywhere as much payload, it will be less comfy underway, will be twitchier to sail and on top of this - not able to be driven hard enough in its overloaded cruising state to go fast anyway. Our 31ft racing tri cruised slower than our non racing but performance oriented cat. The Dragonfly will be dragging her bum and going slow but this is the main thing - if he does want his crew to stay on board after a couple of days - he will not be able to push the tri at all to get peak performance.
The other thing people don't get about tris is that the do not allow you to get away from each other. The cabin sole is probably about 40cm wide. This means EVERY time you want to move you have to ask your partner to move. My wife and I were in our 20s when we did but it got old very very quickly with others. It is great to go aboard a mono or cat and be able to move without needing to orchestrate the move with the rest of the crew. You are going to hate each other in a few weeks unless you are so in love but they don't tell you that in a brochure
The silly thing with wing masts and tense ropes in the cockpit and loud banging interiors and awfully light boats, is that they make you slow down. In order to live on our tri, we had to throttle her back almost all the time. We throttle our cat back over 15 knots upwind and 18 downwind. Otherwise my family would mutiny and get off. Performance boats need to be able to do serious speeds in choppy water with a minium of effort and motion. And you don't get that from a carbon tri over specced on sails and masts that is dragging her bum because she is heavy. Real performance comes from getting up to 8 knots quickly in nice light winds. You don't need a carbon tri to do this.
THis is a great example of following a silly deep dive on the net instead of looking around and talking to people who pass you in nice boats. Well, it's his money to burn, and I think he is doing a good job of getting through it fast. The best way to get real performance is not to go carbon but to leave stuff behind. Make the boat lighter, cheaper and simple by keeping it simple - saves money and improves speed. Tris are a great buy for the singlehander or couple (you get all the shallow draft and speed advantages of a cat at cheap rates) , but get an Aussie one - a Simpson Liahona, a Chamberlin Cirro, or a Yank Harris is fine. But don't buy a tri because you think you will go faster - you won't.
He's a Harley Davison rider and fast car owner. All those performance boats you mention probably have a 3-4 year wait. Danny likes to buy new stuff of the shelf not waiting around for **** to happen. He is also successful business man and will use this as he's next platform to send him into retirement in his 50s.
Man I thought he was already well into his 50s. You can buy a nice super fast Schionning right now secondhand. My point was that tris are not faster than cats - La Vagabonde also tried this and they are wrong too. This Schionning will cruise faster than the Dragonfly and has probably 4 times the room - and costs far less.
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2009-schionning-wilderness-1250x/OAG-AD-24468053/
Watch the video and take notes, as long as everyone knows this guy is inexperienced and will make mistakes that others will easily avoid - it's a good lesson in what NOT to do.
The thing is so light that on his first walkthrough he ripped out the screws that held the central table footrest out of the centerboard casing. It appears the shower rose recoil mechanism isn't that robust either. Hopefully other critical things are overbuilt. I seem to recall that the mast base collapsed even on la vagabond.
As far as weight is concerned he is behind the 8 ball before he even begins because he has a dirty great air conditioner on the coach house roof and the optional bigger engine.
Anyway good on the guy for giving it a go. I think he is OCD about everything being shiny and new and that's why a Schionning or something second-hand with flow coat on the inside would not have suited.
He's also an adrenaline junkie and furthermore has to enthuse his viewing public. I just wouldn't fancy being on that light boat if stuck in some serious weather. His argument is the same as the guy on La Vagabond; namely that he has radar, routing and speed and should be able to get out of the way of anything bad but as we all know that is in a perfect world and nature often has other ideas not to mention all of us making mistakes and bad calls.
Happily he seems to have found the perfect partner who also loves adventure and doesn't mind roughing it for thrills so that's a plus.
Interesting points about his motivation - I just scanned the vid.
You certainly don't need a carbon tri to try and outrun weather. You could get an Outremer or a nice Schionning or Grainger. And it will be so slow with all the guff on it. His money, he will learn.
Wow - 7ish boatspeed in 9 knots of breeze on a carbon tri is slow for generating apparent in light winds. I can do better under 40 year old reacher in my cedar ply cat. If you look at the stern you will see lots of turbulence. He gets excited about 5 knots of boat speed.
His money.
Select to expand quoteKankama said..
Wow - 7ish boatspeed in 9 knots of breeze on a carbon tri is slow for generating apparent in light winds. I can do better under 40 year old reacher in my cedar ply cat. If you look at the stern you will see lots of turbulence. He gets excited about 5 knots of boat speed.
His money.
Yeah . I do wonder if he has just rented it...he has just rented a Harley to ride through Ukrainian while he was waiting to find a boat. ??
Just as it wouldn't be entirely fair to judge all cruising catamarans by a floating caravan like the Lagoon 400, the same applies to trimarans and the Dragonfly 36. The Dragonfly is a gorgeous, highly refined boat with stunning craftsmanship, but it is arguably better suited to shorter passages rather than dedicated liveaboard cruising.
Full disclosure: after decades of being a catamaran sailor, I’ve recently become a convert to cruising trimarans—but more on that evolution later!
Just as it wouldn't be entirely fair to judge all cruising catamarans by a floating caravan like the Lagoon 400, the same applies to trimarans and the Dragonfly 36. The Dragonfly is a gorgeous, highly refined boat with stunning craftsmanship, but it is arguably better suited to shorter passages rather than dedicated liveaboard cruising.
Full disclosure: after decades of being a catamaran sailor, I’ve recently become a convert to cruising trimarans—but more on that evolution later!
