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Created by Windsong38 > 9 months ago, 30 Jan 2017
Windsong38
NSW, 25 posts
30 Jan 2017 6:29AM
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I have an elderly Codan 8121 HF radio in my boat that I haven't been able to get any reception from apart from weather broadcasts a couple of times.
From what I understand it has an internal antenna tuning capability which is meant to cause a light to change intensity when in the process of tuning in the antenna. My one doesn't! The indicator light doesn't change at all, regardless of the twisting of all the knobs.
I'm wondering if this means that the tuning is not happening, hence the lack of reception, and is there a way of checking the system.
The antenna is an insulated back stay and the unit is earthed to the steel hull.
Does anyone have any words of wisdom?
Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated.

lydia
1944 posts
30 Jan 2017 4:23AM
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This will take a while.
firstly where are you so you can listen in on a regular strong transmission.
secondly antenna tuning should not impact on reception
antenna tuning simply changes the effective length of the antenna to match freq.
next check every connection to antenna but better make new ones.
you may need to replace the cable.
this would be the first place to start and the usual issue with reception
then try things with the boat away from the marina and land based interference.
Then check the freq list as some have changed very slightly over the years and your set will not have been changed.
2201 and 2524 have not changed though.
then we can work on improving things.

Jolene
WA, 1624 posts
30 Jan 2017 9:35AM
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I have an 8121hf. I had a few problems with corrosion within the switches so I cleaned them up with a contact cleaner, then lubricated them and the antenna would then tune using the load light. Be sure to depress the mike button or hold down the tune switch whilst adjusting the antenna. There are 3 adjustment controls for the antenna and they all need adjustment when tuning to different frequencies and the power switch should be set to high.
Like Lydia said check out the antenna connections ,antenna cable and grounding plate first, Hf radio can be tuff on the grounding connections and eat them away in the bilge environment.

My set has the frequency crystals for VMC and I receive the VMC as clear as a bell in WA. I really need the VMW frequency to get better use of the radio here in the west.

Charriot
QLD, 880 posts
30 Jan 2017 3:35PM
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ERLY HF TRANCIEVERS HAVE PRESET FREQUENCIES, AND RECIEVEING WEATHER FORCAST IS
GOOD INDICATION "RX" IS OK.
After monitoring HF over a year, I never encounter any traffic.
The only way to test a TX would be have chat with local Coats Guard or find a boat with HF unit or
just get portable short wave radio and press transmit, you should get messy interference.

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
30 Jan 2017 10:14PM
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Not many people listen to HF broadcasts any more. You need a comprehensive operator's licence to use a transceiver.

If you can pick one up for $500 or less and get it working for another $500 or less, you are in the ball park of return on investment.

An HF receiver can get you grib files which are useful.

someday
NSW, 97 posts
30 Jan 2017 11:51PM
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cisco said..
You need a comprehensive operator's licence to use a transceiver.

Its now called the Long Range Operator Certificate of Proficiency (LROCP). I think the LROCP exam is the same price as the SROCP, the LROCP radio handbook is slightly more than the VHF only one. There are more multiple choice questions in the LROCP exam, so it requires some more study, to memorize enough stuff to get 70% to pass. There are only 4 possible answers. Even if you don't know the answer for sure, on a lot of questions you can probably eliminate 2 of the possible answers as junk, and they don't take off any marks for getting a question wrong (as in, you just get zero for getting it wrong, they don't subtract any marks, so you might as well guess if you don't know).

www.amc.edu.au/industry/omc/certificates

It is required to have the SROCP for VHF anyway. Its just a bit more study to obtain the LROCP if the student has any interest in HF.

lydia
1944 posts
31 Jan 2017 6:36AM
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With one caveat, hang in there with the 8121 as they are very reliable and had a production from 1969 into the early 1980s.
they are a crystal set which is the caveat so getting replacement crystals is near impossible.
hence small freq changes are a problem but the most common Freq have not changed so still fine for weather and distress and 2524.

MorningBird
NSW, 2711 posts
31 Jan 2017 7:07PM
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You need a radio operators certificate to legally operate a VHF or HF. Or you can just read up on it and use it. I spent years using HF and VHF in the Navy but haven't got around to getting a civilian qualification.

someday
NSW, 97 posts
31 Jan 2017 10:57PM
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Anyone with a web browser that can run flash can read the handbook online for free:

www.amc.edu.au/industry/omc/handbooks-and-revision-questions

I just wanted to note for anyone interested in the license cost: If you sit the exam (at a current cost of $83 + the cost of a passport photo) and pass, then they post you a perpetual LROCP (or SROCP if you sit the VHF only exam) license.

The VHF transceiver is licensed under a class apparatus license, so there is no ongoing cost to own a VHF radio.

The ACMA want an initial license fee for a HF apparatus license plus ongoing fees. The ACMA kindly provide a 64 page document that describes how to calculate the issue charge + tax + GST and the renewal/installment charge + tax + GST, it is the Apparatus licence fee schedule on this page:

www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/About/Making-payments/Apparatus-licence-fees/apparatus-licence-fees-acma

Datawiz
VIC, 605 posts
1 Feb 2017 7:56AM
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So when was MROCP, MROCVP, etc replaced by LROCP,etc?
regards,
allan

someday
NSW, 97 posts
1 Feb 2017 10:54AM
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Around mid 2015 the marine radio certificates were renamed:
MROVCP -> SROCP
MROCP -> LROCP
to "align the naming of Australian certificates with the common world practice". "The new terminonology will more clearly reflect the nature and limitations of these internationally recognised certificates and their equivalency with overseas certificates." (section 1.8 of the Marin Radio Operators Handbook).

So they are just renamed, the marine radio certificates under the old names are still valid.

Datawiz
VIC, 605 posts
2 Feb 2017 10:36AM
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Thanks for that someday, good to know I'm still legal with MRCOP...
regards,
allan

FreeRadical
WA, 855 posts
3 Feb 2017 6:06PM
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Having to go and sit the exam is a croc, and probably the main reason only about the estimated <20% of users/boaters actually bother to go to the effort to hold a marine radio licence. If the exam was a simple online affair, I suspect many more would do it and we would hear much better terminology/phraseology over the radio.

Toph
WA, 1890 posts
3 Feb 2017 6:09PM
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You'd probably find with your job that you were already licensed. I rang AMSA sometime back to ask them about HF... "Nup your done".. I didn't push the issue

Windsong38
NSW, 25 posts
4 Feb 2017 1:43PM
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First of all thanks to everyone for their replies, and to Lydia and Jolene thanks for your positive thoughts on the 8121, the radio was in the boat when I bought it but there was no antenna and it was not wired to the power supply. There is a brochure with it but not a lot of helpfull info. A couple of years ago I fitted a new insulated backstay and new cable to the radio so I hope that should eliminate any connection worries. I have had the on/off switch replaced at a local radio repair shop and they said that it was working (maybe they meant that the switch was working) anyway I'm determined to have it operational even if it means studying for licence.
When tuning a channel, if I hold the mike switch down or the tune switch on, the indicator light is cut out completely. Is this normal?
I'm situated on the mid north coast of NSW.
The radio has the following channels 2182, 2436, 2524, 4125 and 4134.3 /4428.7 share the one setting.
Thanks again in anticipation.



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