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How to remove a collar from SS sharft

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Created by warwickl > 9 months ago, 9 Jun 2013
warwickl
NSW, 2361 posts
9 Jun 2013 6:28PM
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I have a problem which is to remove a keyed bronze collar from a stainless steel keyed shaft. I can not get the key out either and there is no sign of bad corrosion

So far I have applied WD40 type products and firm hammering over a few weeks now and no progress.

I have thought of applying heat but not sure if I may cause other problems.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thx

CoolRunnings
NSW, 159 posts
9 Jun 2013 8:03PM
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I'm not a fan of WD40 except for stopping your household roller door from squeaking!
Try some Penetrene which seems to find its way through the smallest of cavities.
After leaving a while, retry using copper/bronze drift tapped onto the S/S shaft.
If that does not work, then you may have to invent a type of 'puller' to make the separation.

If you have some pics, I can show my father, who has earned a PHD in removing seized components.

Cheers C.R.

warwickl
NSW, 2361 posts
9 Jun 2013 9:24PM
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This is it ie an electric anchor winch, it can just be seen the key into the shaft on the left side

southace
SA, 4803 posts
9 Jun 2013 8:59PM
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I would use a small flat head screw driver and a hammer on the key.

LooseChange
NSW, 2140 posts
9 Jun 2013 11:18PM
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Looks like the key is normal steel and the rust has expanded tightly in the groove.

Try wacking the bronze collar on the face where the key is with a sharp wack with a hammer (only once or twice) and hope that this will induce cracking in the rust and thereby releasing its grip.

Alternatively try a product like Loctite Freeze & Release, this has a similar effect as heating but without effecting any heat treatments that may be present.

If all else fails and there is no heat treatment to worry about then apply a bit of heat to the collar using a fine flame torch to keep the heat as localised as possible and once again a quick wack with a hammer to shock the rust into releasing.

As previously stated WD40 is crap and causes more grief than it solves as people think something they have squirted with WD40 is now protected.

LooseChange
NSW, 2140 posts
9 Jun 2013 11:19PM
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southace said..

I would use a small flat head screw driver and a hammer on the key.


screwdrivers are for tightening and loosening screws.

Sunseeker39
WA, 71 posts
9 Jun 2013 10:06PM
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1) Its left field but I've seen it work.
Liquid nitrogen down the centre of the shaft , will contract the shaft and crack the join.
Then bash with hammer.
Its a fiddley chemical to get but not expensive.
Air liquide or any of the gas places for the nitrogen.
Can use any metal thermos flask for holding the delivered nitrogen.
Do not seal the thermos with the lid (would be bad) , allow evaporation to occur , perhaps a hole drilled
in the top of the lid.
We normally pay about $80-100 for a delivery.

2) another option is a can of veruka spray from the chemist, its only about a 1/3 or 1/2 as cold as the nitrogen, but comes
in a can. Spray down the sealed shaft centre. Cold should contact the shaft.

3) another option would be to soak in CLR for a day or so. cheaper and easier but far less effective.

southace
SA, 4803 posts
10 Jun 2013 8:25AM
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I did the same job a few months ago on a water pump....the key was rusted and seized I managed to get a small flat head screw driver into the top of the key and slowly get the key to start moving outwards from the top...once I go it moving with the help of vice grips I managed to remove the key.....worked for me! I know it's not the right tool for the job but sometimes you have to compromise!

CoolRunnings
NSW, 159 posts
10 Jun 2013 9:56AM
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Given all the information offered above, there is not much more for me to say, except good luck and hope you get the job done.

warwickl
NSW, 2361 posts
11 Jun 2013 10:40PM
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Thank you all for your input, I will now go try a few of these methods.

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
12 Jun 2013 3:59PM
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warwickl said..

Thank you all for your input, I will now go try a few of these methods.


I think that you will have to build a hefty bearing puller type device with hammer in wedges to provide pulling force. Then rapidly heat the collar with an oxy torch untill it is just about red hot. Then wack the wedges with a large engineers hammer to try and dislodge nthe collar. Keep a bucket of water and wet towels handy to stop the deck from catching fire.
Otherwise I give you next to no chance of removing with earlier mentioned techniques.

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
12 Jun 2013 3:44PM
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frant said..
warwickl said..



Thank you all for your input, I will now go try a few of these methods.


I think that you will have to build a hefty bearing puller type device with hammer in wedges to provide pulling force. Then rapidly heat the collar with an oxy torch untill it is just about red hot. Then wack the wedges with a large engineers hammer to try and dislodge nthe collar. Keep a bucket of water and wet towels handy to stop the deck from catching fire.

Otherwise I give you next to no chance of removing with earlier mentioned techniques.


That is the best way to do it! When it is hot try to get some ricin (mmmm. that is french err the oil you use for furnitures? that oil will not burn) oil between the shaft anthe collar, do not worry about destroying the key and when you hit the shaft use a lead or bronze hammer not to damage the thread.

MorningBird
NSW, 2711 posts
12 Jun 2013 6:54PM
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If it isn't something you need to be able to do at sea, give it to a professional you know and trust. It is probably worth paying for a couple of hours of their knowhow.
My view is to make sure you can do any maintenance that could be required at sea, the other stuff can be given to a professional after you have exhausted your skill set and tool kit.

warwickl
NSW, 2361 posts
16 Jul 2013 6:25PM
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Success, today I applied heat with a LPG high heat type nozzle, a few taps with a hammer and a bit of leverage on the collar and got it off the shaft. All cleaned up easy and the winch is back in action with no problems.

Thank you to all for your input.



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