All things going well I'll be lifting my home to be for it's pre-purchase survey within a week.
It wont be out of the water for long I believe - less than 2 hours. I'd like to be accompanying the surveyor as he checks her over but was wondering if it would be worth getting my minions to give the hull a brush/rub/scrub down while she's up.
I'm not sure if it has ablative paint on her but would be part of the considerations. Not sure when she was last hauled out but I believe that she's had a paintjob not long ago.
Would be a good idea?
Thoughts?
You would have to do a deal with the owner , but may be get her pressure washed off , then you can see the surface better , then give her a coat of anti .
and if you purchase you pay for the painting and washing . and if there is a deal breaker problem , he pays for the paint and wash . ?????
just always thought it is a waste of resources to slip a boat ant not give her a coat of anti .............
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You would have to do a deal with the owner , but may be get her pressure washed off , then you can see the surface better , then give her a coat of anti .
and if you purchase you pay for the painting and washing . and if there is a deal breaker problem , he pays for the paint and wash . ?????
just always thought it is a waste of resources to slip a boat ant not give her a coat of anti .............
+1 that absolutely!!
The yard or your surveyor can advise whether it's only got slime and therefore just needs a medium pressure clean , thus not damaging any ablative anti fouling. It's the best way to check the anodes as well.
Hope it all goes well!
I don't know that she's got ablative paint on her. Anti fouling would take longer than 2 hours wouldn't it? Costs a bit too? Maybe just a pressure clean? is it worth going over with a soft broom too or just the gurney?
Cheers Gents.
He will have to pressure clean to do the survey how else can he asertaine if there is any osmosis if it isn't pressure washed he is not doing his job.
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He will have to pressure clean to do the survey how else can he asertaine if there is any osmosis if it isn't pressure washed he is not doing his job.
cool.
Yeah a pressure blast will be needed as part of the lift out and survey.
Beyond that....it's not your boat yet so anything else you do has to be negotiated with the current owner.
Some won't mind, some get funny about people doing anything at all to it till it's a finalized deal.
I'd say just play it by ear and see what you're up against. Then when you pull her out, you know what needs doing.
Peter
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Yeah a pressure blast will be needed as part of the lift out and survey.
Beyond that....it's not your boat yet so anything else you do has to be negotiated with the current owner.
Some won't mind, some get funny about people doing anything at all to it till it's a finalized deal.
I'd say just play it by ear and see what you're up against. Then when you pull her out, you know what needs doing.
Peter
+1
And bear in mind that even the good surveyors will miss stuff, so have a really good look yourself. And don't be put off by things like "Oh, it's raining and blowing really hard, perhaps we can skip the sea trial."
remember that antifoul has a minimum recommended time before you can go back in, it's not just a case of paint it on and your ready to go.
Often it can be 8 hours.
Yeah a pressure blast will be needed as part of the lift out and survey. Beyond that....it's not your boat yet so anything else you do has to be negotiated with the current owner. Some won't mind, some get funny about people doing anything at all to it till it's a finalized deal. I'd say just play it by ear and see what you're up against. Then when you pull her out, you know what needs doing. Peter
I have hit it off with the CO. His a solid guy and if all goes though will be sailing it with me back to Lonny. Anything feasible that would make things easier for me, I'm sure he would not hesitate to allow me to do (if the survey goes well). I wouldn't have the time to AF her. Not having experience with hulls, my only comparable experience with the high pressure cleaning is with the run of the mill car and bike cleaning which had me thinking after reading a few articles on hull maintenance. You know when you Karcher your car- it never gets off that dirty film properly without hitting it with the sponge - if she's out of the water, after the high pressure clean, it would be worth rubbing down with a soft cloth if its got ablative paint and maybe something coarser if normal AF? Id be busy with the surveyor but I could get the old man and a soft broom to work ;-)
+1 And bear in mind that even the good surveyors will miss stuff, so have a really good look yourself. And don't be put off by things like "Oh, it's raining and blowing really hard, perhaps we can skip the sea trial."
I've been studying up on surveying (ie this pretty awesome article www.pcmarinesurveys.com/Marine%20Survey%20101.htm ) and reading blogs on the same type of boats, obviously I'm no professional but I think they have been helpful in pointing me in the right direction on a few things. Fingers are crossed. Re the sea trial - I'd think a bit of crap weather would be the perfect time to do one??
Remember that antifoul has a minimum recommended time before you can go back in, it's not just a case of paint it on and your ready to go. Often it can be 8 hours.
As above.
Cheers gents. Your all gentlemen and scholars!
The key issue is whether she needs an anti-foul. If you dont do it and you buy the boat, you could be kicking yourself later that you didnt do it.
You can negotiate with the current owner how to deal with the cost of the paint and the extra time, and it can all be part of the final price negotiations, but as far as the slip and the painting (a/f), is concerned, that needs to be negotiated before she goes up.
Usually the surveyor, if he is any good, will find things that need to be done, and this forms part of the haggling. All offers you make should be based on "Subject to Survey".
"I'd think a bit of crap weather would be the perfect time to do one?? "
This is the time to find out things like - do the reefing lines work, are the clutches working and in the right place, does the dodger interfere with the winch handles and all that stuff around working the boat, so calm weather and a firm grip on the enthusiasm generated by a first trip in your new love is the order of the day.
Your surveyor will have done all the heavy lifting, like finding dry rot in a bulkhead or ratty steering cables or pit corrosion in the prop shaft..
Select to expand quoteToph said..
^^^ that's one I'll put a +1 to. Possibly the most sensible post so far.Select to expand quotePhoenixStar said..
"I'd think a bit of crap weather would be the perfect time to do one?? "
This is the time to find out things like - do the reefing lines work, are the clutches working and in the right place, does the dodger interfere with the winch handles and all that stuff around working the boat, so calm weather and a firm grip on the enthusiasm generated by a first trip in your new love is the order of the day.
Your surveyor will have done all the heavy lifting, like finding dry rot in a bulkhead or ratty steering cables or pit corrosion in the prop shaft..
I like your thinking
I'd be in negotiations with the co over doing the anti foul while its up simply to save $$$ in the future.
In all honesty, the boat belongs to the present owner so who is paying for the surveyor ??? ... you i guess as a "pre-purchase survey" and who pays for the lift
Anything that you do whilst boat is out of the water needs to be agreed with present owner, most would agree if presented properly.
But as people have been previously here had a go at me in regard to surveys and surveyors ..... no further comment
There wont be time to AF. Its a pre purchase survey before a sea trial. I'm expecting/hope it goes well obviously. Just asking if the hull is worth spending any time on in the less than 2 hours its out of the water. ie as long as there's no barnacles/weed etc hanging off her its it worth giving her a wipe down as well as the pressure spray on the possibility of the purchase going through.
Don't want to be wasting time if its not going to effectively do anything constructive.
I would be doing the sea trial before an inspection. What if you spend all that money on the lift only to find an issue with a free/cheap sea trial?
Also you want to have a few aces up your sleeve. If you spend your money on a hull clean/anti-foul before you've finished the 'process', you've shown your hand and the present owner won't budge on price due to your enthusiasm.
Just my opinion of course.
if you are telling the owner you may want to antifoul i would think you are showing your hand too soon your a bit keen mate play it cool and get a good price worry about the paint latter 
I would be doing the sea trial before an inspection. What if you spend all that money on the lift only to find an issue with a free/cheap sea trial? Also you want to have a few aces up your sleeve. If you spend your money on a hull clean/anti-foul before you've finished the 'process', you've shown your hand and the present owner won't budge on price due to your enthusiasm. Just my opinion of course.
Yeh...Hearing you...but discussed that with the surveyor (who is reputable and recommended on this site). His take is that he does the haul out first to make sure that he knows what he is dealing with on the sea trial. fouling, prop pitch/size etc.
if you are telling the owner you may want to antifoul I would think you are showing your hand too soon your a bit keen mate play it cool and get a good price worry about the paint latter
Yeh. Antifoul is off the table this early.
Speaking from experience putting anti-foul on at this time of the year in tassie is hard work because it will be thick as
I would pressure clean it for the survey and if you end up buying it pull it out when the weather warms up (September or October) and do it then
Who did you end up getting to do the survey if you don't mind me asking
Regards Don
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Speaking from experience putting anti-foul on at this time of the year in tassie is hard work because it will be thick as
I would pressure clean it for the survey and if you end up buying it pull it out when the weather warms up (September or October) and do it then
Who did you end up getting to do the survey if you don't mind me asking
Regards Don
Pat Synge mate.
Hi Semus
I have never used him but i have heard good things about him
What boat are you looking at buying ?
Regards Don
eyeeeeee hg i am a bloody pirate and love getting a good deal the negotiation and the buying is one of lifes pleasures
