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Top Hat 25,probably the best aussie pocket cruiser

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Created by NightCap > 9 months ago, 23 Mar 2011
NightCap
NSW, 25 posts
23 Mar 2011 1:04PM
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Gday,
Obviously ive borrowed the title from last years posts from cisco etc on various yacht designs....

I currently own a Top Hat 25 MkIII, built about 1984, its a modified junk rig, essentially its a chinese junk gaff rig, anyway im a big TH fan, my last TH was NightCap another MkIII.
You can get yourself into a good Top Hat for well under $15k, GRP construction, lead ballast(48 or 55% ballast ratio?) long keel(cut-away forefoot), easily set up to be able to single-hand sail, designed by Illingworth & Primrose.
Has any one got any experiences of Top Hats?, I havent found anyone yet that has a bad word to say about them!!, If you do have anything bad to say, I would love to hear it & maybe I could address the issues with my Top Hat to make it better.

Hopefully I can encourage some discussion.

BTW is it possible to change my user name?, or do i just start up another one?
cheers
NC

sleek1
VIC, 672 posts
23 Mar 2011 7:50PM
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photos or it doesnt exist.

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
24 Mar 2011 9:27AM
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I don't know the boats that well. Mainly it is by reputation but they certainly have a lot going for them.

Many praise the virtues of junk rigs. To me they make anything but a Chinese boat look ugly.

Also I don't think a junk rig would sail to windward nearly as well as a sloop rig.

Here are a few links to discussions on junk rigs:-


www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f47/opinions-please-junk-rig-1292.html

forum.woodenboat.com/archive/index.php/t-12730.html

www.kastenmarine.com/junk_rig.htm

The last one looks to have some good info.

MichaelR
NSW, 862 posts
24 Mar 2011 1:33PM
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sleek1 said...

photos or it doesnt exist.


Sleek you're a hard one to please.

http://www.tophatyachts.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=375

G'Day Shaun.... I did a piece here back in 2009 on Top Hats. www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Sailing/General/The-Top-Hat-25/

It's a shame Cyril's old magazine articles aren't still up, however I did manage to save them all to my photobucket. s67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/Miker_01/Dulcamara/Old%20Articles/

There is also a story floating around about Nick Creech sailing White Tie in the 1978 Trans Tasman Solo, where he was reportedly the only boat to remain under sail for the whole distance, whilst others got belted by one of the most severe storms to ever hit this race. I just can't find a link to it.

For lots of other information on what is possibly the best pocket cruiser available for the under $20k go to www.tophatyachts.org

Michael

sleek1
VIC, 672 posts
24 Mar 2011 7:39PM
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Nice.Junk rig looks good.But v berth looks shiat.lucky that quater berth is massive.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
24 Mar 2011 8:45PM
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I have no experience in sailing one of these yachts , but have spoken to a guy who owned one .

He said it was a fantastic yacht ! very seaworthy ,safe boat.

NightCap
NSW, 25 posts
27 Mar 2011 11:00AM
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Cheers, the middle link cisco provided mentions some very valid drawbcks to junk rigs, this particular rig is modified to address the poor windward sailing performance, its also possible to fly a small jib on the forestay (which is the only stay), there is masses & masses of lines tho', with numerous mainsheets (2) & gaff halyard & main throat halyard, there is hundreds of feet of line, but a good point is with so many lines the stresses of the rig is spread over so many lines.
chafe is a problem....mainsail against halyards & spare halyards (no internal halyards).
your right sleek the big pole in the middle of the V-berth is a pain, my lady wont dance with it, so the V-berth is just a storage area.
Thanks Michael for saving those articles, its great reading of what sailing was like in the 70's & 80's & a lot can be learnt for sailers keen to get back to the basics.
The Top Hat group also has Regattas that are held once or twice a year, great fun!.

C'mon hasnt anybody got anything bad to say about the Top Hat 25?
cheers

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
27 Mar 2011 1:06PM
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Yeah. They are only 25 ft long not 34 like an S&S.

sleek1
VIC, 672 posts
27 Mar 2011 5:48PM
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But a S&S 34 isnt a Beneteau 57.

crustysailor
VIC, 871 posts
28 Mar 2011 9:56AM
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but a Beneteau 57 isn't a Gunboat 66.

sleek1
VIC, 672 posts
28 Mar 2011 1:31PM
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could go on forever



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