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forget the gift this is a steel

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Created by twodogs1969 > 9 months ago, 12 Aug 2015
twodogs1969
NSW, 1000 posts
12 Aug 2015 4:10AM
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http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/keppel-sands/sail-boats/george-mottle-33/1086458644

HG02
VIC, 5814 posts
12 Aug 2015 6:54AM
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twodogs1969 said..
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/keppel-sands/sail-boats/george-mottle-33/1086458644



Two dogs has found a bone
To me th9is os the sort of boat a few mates should buy as a share boat if they don't have the spare time and cash and some where to go for a week or two winter holiday each

rumblefish
TAS, 824 posts
12 Aug 2015 8:46AM
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WOW!!

Now if I hadn't brought my Etchells and my missus hadn't spent exactly this much on a horse......

Anyone want to buy a horse................

I'll keep the Etchells for racing ;)

Ramona
NSW, 7757 posts
12 Aug 2015 9:01AM
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Excellent buy and well equipped with the essentials. I can guess the story here. Make sure your missus really wants to live in a hot smelly fibreglass boat before you head North.

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
12 Aug 2015 12:01PM
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It looks like it is anchored up the Fitzroy River somewhere. I don't think there is sufficient water to get into the inlet at Keppel Sands.

If it is up Cawarral Creek her keel must have dug a hole in the mud. Most boats that get up the Fitzroy River never get out again and it is like an oven in the town reach in Rockhampton in summer. It would be physically impossible to live on board a boat there.

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
12 Aug 2015 3:25PM
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The problem with the plethora of bargain priced boats on the market is that they have saturated the market and are in actual fact of no value. The cost to scrap is in excess of any recoverable in the lead keel. They simply sit and rot and further depress the market. That will have a severe negative impact on the offers forthcoming for boats that might be in a fair condition and also for those in excellent or restored condition.
All prices are severely depressed as a result.
Only winners are the likes of Cisco who appears to have bought the in the bracket of best value for money, as in no necessity to spend on big ticket items. Most importantly he is not going to drop a bundle (which he would if forced to sell the boat tomorrow) by keeping the boat for life.
If your purchase is with the thought of moving the boat on in the near future and recovering anything on additional spend on the boat then now is the wrong time to buy.

Ramona
NSW, 7757 posts
12 Aug 2015 7:22PM
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I think this is the future and not a trend. The problem is fibreglass boats have a very long life and there is only so many buyers. Steber found this out with their power boats. The market is soon saturated and while all those perfectly serviceable secondhand boats are out there they can not sell new ones. Been like that in the States for years where people donate their boats to get a tax break as the only way to get some money back. We wont see that here but we will keep seeing some really cheap boats.

Carter 33 anyone? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Carter-33-sail-boat-Yacht-/271954124802?hash=item3f51baa002

HG02
VIC, 5814 posts
12 Aug 2015 7:59PM
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Ramona said..
I think this is the future and not a trend. The problem is fibreglass boats have a very long life and there is only so many buyers. Steber found this out with their power boats. The market is soon saturated and while all those perfectly serviceable secondhand boats are out there they can not sell new ones. Been like that in the States for years where people donate their boats to get a tax break as the only way to get some money back. We wont see that here but we will keep seeing some really cheap boats.

Carter 33 anyone? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Carter-33-sail-boat-Yacht-/271954124802?hash=item3f51baa002


Do you think at some stage Australia may have a yacht wrecking yard to sell off second hand boat parts eg motor gear boxes spars winches furlers ect? old wood trim

Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
12 Aug 2015 8:28PM
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HG02 said..

Ramona said..
I think this is the future and not a trend. The problem is fibreglass boats have a very long life and there is only so many buyers. Steber found this out with their power boats. The market is soon saturated and while all those perfectly serviceable secondhand boats are out there they can not sell new ones. Been like that in the States for years where people donate their boats to get a tax break as the only way to get some money back. We wont see that here but we will keep seeing some really cheap boats.

Carter 33 anyone? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Carter-33-sail-boat-Yacht-/271954124802?hash=item3f51baa002



Do you think at some stage Australia may have a yacht wrecking yard to sell off second hand boat parts eg motor gear boxes spars winches furlers ect? old wood trim


Hi HG

I know that overseas there is a company that deal in second hand sails but not sure about the rest off he stuff
www.exchangesails.co.uk/
Regards Don

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
12 Aug 2015 11:38PM
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frant said..
The problem with the plethora of bargain priced boats on the market is that they have saturated the market and are in actual fact of no value. The cost to scrap is in excess of any recoverable in the lead keel. They simply sit and rot and further depress the market. That will have a severe negative impact on the offers forthcoming for boats that might be in a fair condition and also for those in excellent or restored condition.
All prices are severely depressed as a result.
Only winners are the likes of Cisco who appears to have bought the in the bracket of best value for money, as in no necessity to spend on big ticket items. Most importantly he is not going to drop a bundle (which he would if forced to sell the boat tomorrow) by keeping the boat for life.
If your purchase is with the thought of moving the boat on in the near future and recovering anything on additional spend on the boat then now is the wrong time to buy.



I think you are right there frant. If I had to sell right now I would probably drop big dollars particularly as I am in the middle of a minor refit and the boat does not present well at all. I would be more inclined to haul her out and put her in my back yard to wait for when my son would be ready to go sailing. There is an Endurance 35 and a Citation 34 in two backyards here. No doubt there are others.

My saving graces are the minimal costs I have of keeping her here and my satisfaction with the yacht that precludes me from wanting to sell or upgrade.

I dropped a big bundle when I sold my Van De Stadt 34 to the yard in Maryborough for $300 but it did stop the monthly rent bill after 7 years of it. I would say that is the situation with the guy with the Carter 33 at Hastings in Vic. Cutting his losses.

Buying and fixing yachts for fun and profit is a thing of the past.

HG02
VIC, 5814 posts
13 Aug 2015 12:24AM
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Buying and fixing yachts for fun yes it still happens for me anyway well just one will do me. The profit part goes to the marne industry

MorningBird
NSW, 2711 posts
13 Aug 2015 3:33AM
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Ramona said..
I think this is the future and not a trend. The problem is fibreglass boats have a very long life and there is only so many buyers. Steber found this out with their power boats. The market is soon saturated and while all those perfectly serviceable secondhand boats are out there they can not sell new ones. Been like that in the States for years where people donate their boats to get a tax break as the only way to get some money back. We wont see that here but we will keep seeing some really cheap boats.

Carter 33 anyone? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Carter-33-sail-boat-Yacht-/271954124802?hash=item3f51baa002


We already have the giving it away for a tax break here. Sailors with Disabilities have been gifted a Hanse 54 and a TP52 as it was the best return the owners could achieve.
I think prices have risen a bit in the last 6-12 months. Where before you could get a good ocean going ready yacht for $30K or so, now I think it is closer to $50K.
The rubbish is and will always be at give away prices. It cost too much to fix one up. Yes you can do a bit of polishing and repair yourself but rigging, winches, stoves, tanks, engines, props, sails and electrics all cost even if you do it yourself.

Ramona
NSW, 7757 posts
13 Aug 2015 9:11AM
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MorningBird said..

Ramona said..
I think this is the future and not a trend. The problem is fibreglass boats have a very long life and there is only so many buyers. Steber found this out with their power boats. The market is soon saturated and while all those perfectly serviceable secondhand boats are out there they can not sell new ones. Been like that in the States for years where people donate their boats to get a tax break as the only way to get some money back. We wont see that here but we will keep seeing some really cheap boats.

Carter 33 anyone? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Carter-33-sail-boat-Yacht-/271954124802?hash=item3f51baa002



We already have the giving it away for a tax break here. Sailors with Disabilities have been gifted a Hanse 54 and a TP52 as it was the best return the owners could achieve.
I think prices have risen a bit in the last 6-12 months. Where before you could get a good ocean going ready yacht for $30K or so, now I think it is closer to $50K.
The rubbish is and will always be at give away prices. It cost too much to fix one up. Yes you can do a bit of polishing and repair yourself but rigging, winches, stoves, tanks, engines, props, sails and electrics all cost even if you do it yourself.


The asking prices have risen maybe but the selling prices are still falling.

Ramona
NSW, 7757 posts
13 Aug 2015 9:14AM
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When the new rules for parking boats on the streets starts to bite in NSW we can expect to see even more ridiculous prices for trailer sailers on the market.



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