Hi im looking into good sea boats under 40 feet a few i like are the arends 33 martzcraft 35 i came across the southcoast 36 and really like them but cant find too much info online just wondering how they compare and how they are as bluewater crusiers thanks.
The south coast has heaps of room but is slower and won't point as well as the others. But is cheaper.
All three are excellent boars. I fell love in Southcoast, ketch centre cocpit. Hard to belive it is 36 footer.
I sail Mertzcraf , it's fast but below the deck, not sure rather pick Arends.
My pick sail Pacific..Arend, sail in style around Aus. Southcoast .
as I understand it they are all based on the Roberts 35 design hull...then fitted by Martz as a CC design, Southcoast as an Aft cockpit , with various ketch,cutter or sloop rigs. I would guess similar rigged boats would be fairly similar in performance.
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as I understand it they are all based on the Roberts 35 design hull...then fitted by Martz as a CC design, Southcoast as an Aft cockpit , with various ketch,cutter or sloop rigs. I would guess similar rigged boats would be fairly similar in performance.
I don't think ANY yacht is based on the Roberts 35 design hull.
Are ANY of the Roberts designs original??
I think the Whimaway 37, a few of which were made by Kay Cottee IIRC, may have been another extension of the Roberts 36 hull (designed by god knows who originally).
I didn't realise the Arends 33 was related to the 36, but I can sort of visualise it coming from a chopped and dropped version of the hull.
There was a Southcoast with a big sloop rig that was owned by a Careel 22 champion and used to choof around Pittwater eons ago, going surprisingly well.
I would add a Zeston 36 to your list. Unlike a Roberts, Joe Adams designs a boat to sail really well.
Wayne
+ 1. Then there is the Zeston 40 with which you are really moving up in the world of comfortable performance cruising and that is what it is all about.
Theres another one for the list - Mottle 33. (Adams hull design + George Mottle accommodation).
A friend sailed one Sydney to Vanuatu and back no problems. I had one, I liked its beautiful shape and slick Adams hull design. But being only 33ft it has lower hull speed than the 35's and 36's which makes a difference on a long trip. The aft cabin is also a bit small and low, but the Mark II Mottle 33 was bigger. It has a real solid keel and I knocked mine flat many times racing and it was bullet proof. It also got dragged sideways off a sandbar in the surf and was still fine.
You can hire a Mottle 33 at Lake Macquarie to try one.
Eventually I went for a Martzcraft 35 and I believe it is a GRP redesign of the Roberts 35. (But I will be corrected if that's wrong!). I can stand up in the aft cabin and saloon and sailing wise its faster than the Mottle was. Also the gf likes the bigger galley. Amazing to me it points well and even in a light breeze it goes OK.
South Coast 36 was always on my list. The extra space compared to Mottle and Martzcraft looks wonderful, and the fact that it would be impossible to fall out of that deep cockpit!
My Mottle is the mark11 has lots more head room than the mark 1. As for speed it is much faster than the 2 sc36 I have sailed against and I would think it is at least as fast as a matzcraft. Have you thought about a traditional 36?
The Mottle is one of those boats that is such a good cruiser that its performance is often under-rated, especially because the cruising ones tend to drag big props, furlers, etc. With that fairly small rig and the large wetted surface they pick up at the stern if they are weighed down, they can lose a lot of performance. But when they came out they were a real breath of fresh air. At that time everyone was building IOR boats, and the wide stern and clean lines of the Mottle allowed to it often beat everything of its LOA, especially downwind in a breeze. Boats like Thermopylae, Follow Mee and (IIRC) Taveuni did very well in racing. I've looked at getting one a few times because well sailed and well equipped (ie kept fairly light and with good sails to make up for the small rig) they can move very well.
The big version, the GRP Adams 40 centre cockpit, is a stunning boat IMHO.
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My Mottle is the mark11 has lots more head room than the mark 1. As for speed it is much faster than the 2 sc36 I have sailed against and I would think it is at least as fast as a matzcraft. Have you thought about a traditional 36?
Yours is going great then. I raced my Mottle 33 a lot and always had trouble keeping up with the 35's and 36's. (Not SC36s, could beat them).
But it had a furling head sail which I never liked, I think that made its pointing not so good. It needed a well cut hanked one which the Martzcraft has. Makes a big difference.
AndChris249 you're right about the Mottle stern. I noticed it was important not to put too much weight aft or the one I had dragged a wake. Also the smaller rig was frustrating sometimes in races. I assume GM did that to make them a bit more stable as a cruiser.
Some time ago George Mottle was living on Scotland Island, I dont know if thats still the case.
My father had a Zeston 40 (Dancer) which is now in Pitwater. A Zeston 40 will run rings round all the other boats mentioned above in build, sailing and comfort. Zeston's were built by Eddie Buzzen and are the predecessor to the Buzzen 40, 48 and 52. Zeston' s are a cut about the rest and worth the little extra money you might pay.
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Yours is going great then. I raced my Mottle 33 a lot and always had trouble keeping up with the 35's and 36's. (Not SC36s, could beat them).
But it had a furling head sail which I never liked, I think that made its pointing not so good. It needed a well cut hanked one which the Martzcraft has. Makes a big difference.
AndChris249 you're right about the Mottle stern. I noticed it was important not to put too much weight aft or the one I had dragged a wake. Also the smaller rig was frustrating sometimes in races. I assume GM did that to make them a bit more stable as a cruiser.
Some time ago George Mottle was living on Scotland Island, I dont know if thats still the case.
You are right in less then 10 knts it is well under powered but above 15 it takes off.
the mottle33 was actually designed for the charter market as far as I know this would account for the smaller rig.
