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Created by baywavebill > 9 months ago, 13 Feb 2012
baywavebill
VIC, 266 posts
13 Feb 2012 8:19PM
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Tried an JP Allride board recently and I was surprised at how smooth it was it choppy water on port Phillip bay (S 20 knots) I was told this was due to the double concave bottom. It made my 2010 JP FSW 101 litre seem like it lacked suspension. I don't want to spend $2000 on a current model board but would like some recommendations for a board that has similar properties. Looking for one in the 90 to 100 litre range. I weigh 70kgs.

jh2703
NSW, 1225 posts
13 Feb 2012 8:30PM
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I have a Fanatic Freewave 95L from about 2008, It's the sweetest board I've ever used. Super fast, jumps high and feels like your on a cushion of air. You should be able to get one at a reasonable price, There was a few in the buy and sell last time I looked.

....Like this one.

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing/Boards/~bnvjh/2008-Fanatic-Freewave-240-cm-95-litres.aspx?search=MsVd7Fn%2f%2fIp4zqHG%2bIis%2fCf5TVJmbmCd




No fancy concaves but a nice ride, I've got all the modern boards with all the trimmings and none are as sweet as my old 95.

jimmyt
VIC, 12 posts
13 Feb 2012 11:43PM
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Try a Tabou Rocket out for size. Double concaves leading to a slight V in the tail. V nice on the bay. Also feels like you are riding on air.

Ellobuddha
NSW, 625 posts
13 Feb 2012 11:49PM
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Check the 2011 JP FSW. Ive got the 102 and love it when its windy enough for me. Its got deep concaves compared to the earlier model

terminal
1421 posts
13 Feb 2012 9:29PM
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Mmmmm... concaves...

There was the Starboard Hypersonic 96

www.directwind.com/forum/forum-t40769-p5,starboard-hypersonic-96.html

http://2006.star-board.com/products/testresults/view_test.asp?Number=58

Seriously though, for chop handling I would look for a board that was narrow, with Vee and double concaves. Some tail rocker also helps.
You tend to lose early planing and possibly top speed on that type of board, but its speed over chop may be higher than an otherwise faster board in high wind.

Trousers
SA, 565 posts
14 Feb 2012 9:12AM
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jimmyt said...

Try a Tabou Rocket out for size. Double concaves leading to a slight V in the tail. V nice on the bay. Also feels like you are riding on air.


+1. The Tabous are known for their comfortable ride over chop. I got the Manta and a couple of blokes I know have Rockets and we all got the same report.

Seems there's a 95litre rocket in Vic right now for $950.

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing/Boards/~b3go6/2009-Tabou-Rocket-237-cm-95-litres.aspx?search=mkMWcPieNdnEKcE%2fYsppMx35alk34wMA

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
14 Feb 2012 11:21AM
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I have two Rockets, older ones I think 2005 and 2006 models, 140 and 105 litres. Neither have double concave bottoms. Both are pretty flat all the way through. Both have pretty hard rides in the chop. Even compared to a Starboard iSonic 111 I rode recently they have fairly hard rides.

Recently I got a newer Rocket 135 which needs repairs, I think its a 2008 model. It has a double concave hull so I'll be interested to see how it goes.

joe windsurf
1482 posts
14 Feb 2012 9:12AM
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how is the Fanatic Shark 105 ???
heard it is smooth in the larger sizes - 135 & 150

ka43
NSW, 3105 posts
14 Feb 2012 12:25PM
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Gotta go with the Fanatic Freewave too. I have the 104 and its a great board. Mate had the 95 and he loved it too. Quick, planes easy and good for chucking about as a freeride or in the waves. You can set it up for both with in and outboard strap possies.

qldnacra
QLD, 455 posts
14 Feb 2012 11:31AM
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baywavebill said...

Tried an JP Allride board recently and I was surprised at how smooth it was it choppy water on port Phillip bay (S 20 knots) I was told this was due to the double concave bottom. It made my 2010 JP FSW 101 litre seem like it lacked suspension. I don't want to spend $2000 on a current model board but would like some recommendations for a board that has similar properties. Looking for one in the 90 to 100 litre range. I weigh 70kgs.


I have a 106 litre All Ride Pro and it is a very good board and pretty fast for a board that's good at bump and jump as well. In fact it does everything pretty damn well but my 93 litre Single Thruster pro smashes it for comfort in choppy conditions.

steveBayside
VIC, 169 posts
14 Feb 2012 2:26PM
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any mid 90's slalom board should give you a smooth ride over the chop

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
14 Feb 2012 1:48PM
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Exocet Cross. I have a 2010 model 104 litre. Very soft riding in rough water (Moreton Bay), gybes beautifully and fast in the straights. Best board I've ever had.

Haggar
QLD, 1670 posts
14 Feb 2012 4:08PM
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ikw777 said...

Exocet Cross. I have a 2010 model 104 litre. Very soft riding in rough water (Moreton Bay), gybes beautifully and fast in the straights. Best board I've ever had.


Yep, tried this board last WE, thanks Ian, did smooth out the chop heaps, was taking me some getting used to though as I'm used to a Futura and Acid which are both very responsive in comparison......

thommo72
SA, 82 posts
14 Feb 2012 5:01PM
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I have a 2010 Fanatic Freewave 95 litre. It's the same shape as the current model but is different to the 2008. Comfortable feel, good speed and excellent to gybe (for intermediate + sailors). Well suited to a variety conditions.

Awesome all round board.

baywavebill
VIC, 266 posts
14 Feb 2012 7:24PM
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qldnacra said...

baywavebill said...

Tried an JP Allride board recently and I was surprised at how smooth it was it choppy water on port Phillip bay (S 20 knots) I was told this was due to the double concave bottom. It made my 2010 JP FSW 101 litre seem like it lacked suspension. I don't want to spend $2000 on a current model board but would like some recommendations for a board that has similar properties. Looking for one in the 90 to 100 litre range. I weigh 70kgs.


I have a 106 litre All Ride Pro and it is a very good board and pretty fast for a board that's good at bump and jump as well. In fact it does everything pretty damn well but my 93 litre Single Thruster pro smashes it for comfort in choppy conditions.
Is the 93 litre thruster a All Ride as well?


baywavebill
VIC, 266 posts
14 Feb 2012 7:25PM
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I have a 106 litre All Ride Pro and it is a very good board and pretty fast for a board that's good at bump and jump as well. In fact it does everything pretty damn well but my 93 litre Single Thruster pro smashes it for comfort in choppy conditions.
Is the 93 litre thruster a All Ride as well?





Is the 93 litre an All Ride as well????

SailorBlue
3 posts
23 Mar 2012 3:22AM
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Well, I had the JP AllRide Pro 106 as well for 6 months, but did not like it at all, too rough on chop even though I weight 95k. The problem might be is that is a all carbon board, too stiff for my taste. Lucky me I sold it and bought me a sweet board, the 2012 Exocet Cross 104 Pro, wood deck oh my God, great board, planes a lot earlier than the JP with less wind, super comfy, better on waves as well, and all around board!!! The only aspect maybe better on the JP was that its a little faster in top end speed, that's all. my 2 cents.

wave knave
306 posts
23 Mar 2012 7:39AM
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full suspension..
cant get smoother..

..and pretty much indestructable.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
23 Mar 2012 7:58AM
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The old Mistral Flow of late 90's were the safest board i've been on in chop. The freeride Naish of same era were also excellent. Wider the tail, generally less good in chop.... if wind is strong.

redsurfbus
304 posts
23 Mar 2012 8:09AM
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I agree with the comments on the Freewave - brilliant board, still have my 95l and cant sell it as its a great light wind wave board. Planes early, takes easily up to a 6.5, probably would take a 7m. My only criticism is that it does become a bit clattery as the wind increases past 5.5m weather.

Another great board is the Kode, really smooth and the wood finish is the comfiest board I have ridden over long distances. Also agree with the comments on the Mantas.

My current favorites are the latest exocets, I have SLsports and RS for speed and slalom in most conditions. First 1nmi run on the RS4 I beat my pb by over a knot, our spot has a lot of different water states over 1nmi.

WindmanV
VIC, 826 posts
23 Mar 2012 11:32AM
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Quote: “The old Mistral Flow of late 90's were the safest board I've been on in chop”.

God to Bondy, God to Bondy. An opening here for a bright young man. Please reply. Over to you! ('')

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
23 Mar 2012 10:41AM
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Exocet Cross and Mistral Flow... both dream boards.

He he, I have both (but need an emoticon for smugness).

d1
WA, 304 posts
23 Mar 2012 9:41AM
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Mistral Flow, the white and red 96l - used it for 9 years, and it is still in use by someone else. It's an excellent board for chop - very fast too - I think it had some trickery with the rocker-line? Only negative was the pokey nose.

But right now it might be easier to source a RRD FSW. Perhaps slower than the Flow, but a real SUV of a board - makes chop feel like flatwater. Very happy user of one.

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
23 Mar 2012 12:02PM
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I have the red and white 96 Flow. They have a dead straight rocker line out to the tail, but with a very pronounced vee.

Macroscien
QLD, 6809 posts
23 Mar 2012 12:21PM
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I am a bit heavier - 80 kg - but for the chop comfort and control nothing beats my 84 L Naish Supercross.
Obviously only concern is wind strong enough for planing all the time...that for me but my son 70 kg riding same board don't have to worry about that.

d1
WA, 304 posts
23 Mar 2012 10:24AM
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ikw777 said...

I have the red and white 96 Flow. They have a dead straight rocker line out to the tail, but with a very pronounced vee.


Yes, one develops a habit of leaning far forward during gybes on a Flow. I had to "undevelop" this for the FSW, because it kills too much speed.

This is the rockerline trickery I was referring to : http://boards.mpora.com/forums/rocker-line-surprise-t48986.html

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
23 Mar 2012 2:18PM
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ikw777 said...

Exocet Cross. I have a 2010 model 104 litre. Very soft riding in rough water (Moreton Bay), gybes beautifully and fast in the straights. Best board I've ever had.


+1 on the Exo Cross, it has a good bottom shape for chop and it has the double density pads. For this reason and the fact that I have had bits removed from both knees, I have a few Exo's in thre quiver.

I have a JP FSW 07, and that is quite smooth, that model was good in chop, but mine is a 77L.

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
23 Mar 2012 4:48PM
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d1 said...

ikw777 said...

I have the red and white 96 Flow. They have a dead straight rocker line out to the tail, but with a very pronounced vee.


Yes, one develops a habit of leaning far forward during gybes on a Flow. I had to "undevelop" this for the FSW, because it kills too much speed.

This is the rockerline trickery I was referring to : http://boards.mpora.com/forums/rocker-line-surprise-t48986.html



This make me go put a straightedge on my flow again. At first I couldn't see it, but on a second look there is a small section just in front of the finbox of negative rocker about 1mm deep. I would have thought that was just a normal variation but comments in that thread suggest otherwise.

Sadly my Flow is starting to show signs of delamination so I'm going to have to restrict her to flatter waters. It's a shame because some of my best days sailing have been on that board.



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