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Created by X-man > 9 months ago, 2 Feb 2008
X-man
WA, 325 posts
2 Feb 2008 7:20PM
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Hi all, being a bit lazyon the searching so i thought i'd ask here. Does anyone know if Fiberglass and Resin sales in Welshpool has surfboard core foam (is it polyurethane??) or other cores? I actually tried to call them but they are closed today...

decrepit
WA, 12892 posts
2 Feb 2008 7:30PM
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You want a surfboad blank?????
Go to surf supplies 3/68nCollingwood St Osborne Pk.

If you want polystyrene foam try Rmax 5 Balwin St Kewdale.

Don't think fiberglass and resin sales have either, but they might sell the 2 part blow your own foam mix.

X-man
WA, 325 posts
2 Feb 2008 9:50PM
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Cheers for that Decrep! What are the surfboard blanks like? Are they rectangular blocks of a certain thickness or they already have some kind of shape to them?

Mark _australia
WA, 23745 posts
2 Feb 2008 10:40PM
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Fibreglass and Resin sales only do 2pac polyurethane as Decrep said and divinycell but they are expensive the latter.
The above suppliers are tops, but if south of the river and you need divinycell the cheapest by faaaaar is Herex from the mob on Port Kembla Dr in Bibra Lake but I can't remember their name. Anyone?

decrepit
WA, 12892 posts
3 Feb 2008 1:11AM
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Mark _australia said...

>>>the cheapest by faaaaar is Herex from the mob on Port Kembla Dr in Bibra Lake but I can't remember their name. Anyone?



Summit?

decrepit
WA, 12892 posts
3 Feb 2008 1:19AM
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X-man said...

Cheers for that Decrep! What are the surfboard blanks like? Are they rectangular blocks of a certain thickness or they already have some kind of shape to them?


They are very close to final shape, as the hardest part is close to the outside crust, good board builders don't like to plane too much off. So the blanks come in a multitude of sizes.

What do you want to use it for??? That could improve the advice you get.

The advantage of blanks is they are made from polyurethane this is closed cell so doesn't suck up water, and you don't have to use epoxy resin with it. But it is heavier than the polystyrene normally used in windsurfers these days.

TonyC
WA, 410 posts
3 Feb 2008 2:30AM
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Hi Decrepit

Do you know the difference in weight between closed cell polyurethane and polystyrene per 100ltrs volume.

Also is the closed cell stronger to begin with as in:

1. are the properties much better with closed cell for avoiding depresson, and/or memory to return to original shape, and
2. Is closed cell stronger from shearing/breaking.

Just interested in what is going into boards these days and whether we would be better off sacrificing some weight for the greater strength and longivity. I know there is a lot more to it with the laminate (ie divinycell/EPS and the layups (carbon/E-glass) etc) as well as the stringers and box/hardpoint protection.

X-man
WA, 325 posts
3 Feb 2008 12:11PM
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I initially wanted to shape a surfboard completely so I wouldnt be really interested to buy a blank... Unless theres still a bit to do on them such as the outline and rails. That could actually save a bit of time.
Do you mean by plane off changing the blank shape?

shark
WA, 361 posts
3 Feb 2008 1:09PM
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the blanks are in a shape that provides the greatest variety of shapes without excess waste and , as mentioned before, they get softer the further you cut into them.

Usually the blank manufacturer will get the shapers from his biggest customers to shape a plug, and make the blank mold from that. That way they get what they want and cant whinge that it isnt right! The blanks can be tweaked easily by pulling the stringer up when gluing it in.

polystyrene blanks are hotwired to rough shape for a custom board.

P.C_simpson
WA, 1492 posts
3 Feb 2008 2:28PM
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there is a guy in sydney, he has boards for sale on good old ebay, also has a shaping machine and does blanks for some big surf shapers, so you can get one you want already shaped then just clean it up and glass it. he's called T-19 surfboards or something like that..

decrepit
WA, 12892 posts
3 Feb 2008 10:40PM
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TonyC said...

Hi Decrepit

Do you know the difference in weight between closed cell polyurethane and polystyrene per 100ltrs volume.


polyurethane as in surfboard blanks varies a bit, there used to be 2 or 3 grades, normal, light and superlight, I'm only guessing but I think the "normal" was around 40kg/m3, (think that's 4kg/100ltrs) being heavier near the crust and lighter in the middle. For a surfboard 1 layer of 6oz cloth gave reasonable strength, for a sailboard, 2 layers of 6oz on the bottom and most of the top, with a 3rd layer of 6oz around the feet area.

Mark Stone of Stone Surf Boards, is using a very light polyurethane foam in his boards, with sandwich construction.

Polystryrene used in board construction varies from 1.3kg/100ltrs to 2.4kg/100ltrs



Also is the closed cell stronger to begin with as in:

1. are the properties much better with closed cell for avoiding depresson, and/or memory to return to original shape, and
2. Is closed cell stronger from shearing/breaking.



for the same weight foam I'm not sure, Mark would be the person to ask, I'm sure he's done all sorts of tests.

But keep in mind when specifying "closed cell" thats not a very specific definition, There's also a closed cell version of polystyrene. Bluejuice has made several boards from it, and I've made a couple, trouble is now they don't make it light enough to build a reasonable weight board from.

decrepit
WA, 12892 posts
3 Feb 2008 10:46PM
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X-man said...

I initially wanted to shape a surfboard completely so I wouldnt be really interested to buy a blank... Unless theres still a bit to do on them such as the outline and rails. That could actually save a bit of time.
Do you mean by plane off changing the blank shape?



You just need to go to surfsupplies and check their blanks out, chose one that's just big enough to get the board you want out of.

The outside of the blanks are quite rough and has a "skin or crust" on it, this at least has to be planed off and the rails shaped. Then all you need is whatever weight of fibreglass you want on the outside.

If you want to use polystyrene, it's best to vacuum bag a sandwich core on the outside, this is a lot more complicated, but can end up lighter and stronger.

X-man
WA, 325 posts
3 Feb 2008 11:09PM
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Thanks for the advice! I'd still prefer a square bloc tho ... I'd love to try the sandwich vaccum bagging too but that'll have to come later. Will let u know how it goes!!

decrepit
WA, 12892 posts
3 Feb 2008 11:20PM
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X-man said...

Thanks for the advice! I'd still prefer a square bloc tho ... I'd love to try the sandwich vaccum bagging too but that'll have to come later. Will let u know how it goes!!


OK so what you need is the closed cell high density polystyrene, that comes in a block.
You can cut a couple of stringers, fix them to the sides of the block and hotwire the thickness out.

You'll have to use epoxy, but a couple of layers of 6ox should be good enough for a surfboard.

It's going to be expensive though. don't think there are any suppliers in Perth, I had to get the stuff I used from the East somewhere.

Unless you're thinking of something out of the ordinary, I'd opt for a surfboard blank.

555
892 posts
4 Feb 2008 7:03AM
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Try the insulation places - I used to use extruded polystyrene for composite glider wing cores, and could get a 2400x600x40 sheet of the stuff for $32(nzd).

One of the trade names is 'Styrodur'. It all seems to be made in Saudi-Arabia.

decrepit
WA, 12892 posts
4 Feb 2008 11:56PM
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That's a very good price, from memory the stuff I got last century, was 2400 X 600 & ~150 cost Au$150.

Any idea what density it is???



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