John Carter from the UK arguably the world’s best Windsurfing photographer has confirmed that he will be at the 2010 Lancelin Ocean Classic.
This is great news for the event, Lancelin and sport of windsurfing as he has guaranteed event coverage in all the major Windsurfing magazines in the world as well as other mainstream mag’s.
If you see him around for the 4 days of the event make sure you say hi as he is a great guy.
Sorry guys, some posts removed.
As per forum policy, if you want to question how a business operates, then you need to approach that business directly.
It has never ended well for anybody when one business writes about how another business is behaving, and everybody starts making assements of each business - it just turns into a fight, and both businesses (and the event) simply end up "damaged".
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Help/ForumRules.aspx#h40
Laurie, in general the moderators of this forum do a great job in keeping it a friendly place and keeping angst to a minimum.
There are however, some affairs that need to be discussed and some facts which need to be brought out into the open, especially when they are "from the horse's mouth" and not just hearsay..
That is what a forum is for.
Indeed it is.
A pub is for discussion also, but if a fight breaks out, then there is a response from the staff that operate the establishment.
In the 5+ years I've been moderator, these topics always get worse, never better, and everybody walks away injured.
I know my decision may not be popular, but it's for everybodies benefit. The selection of a supplier is a private negotiation between businesses, and that's what it should remain.
>> especially when they are "from the horse's mouth" and not just hearsay..
I encourage you to read this:
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Help/ForumRules.aspx#h40
if your going to remove mass posts to stop agro then remove all the posts.
not some and leave others. fairs fair![]()
With respect Laurie - it ceased to be a private negotiation between businesses when Col posted his version of events - he obviously wished to place this record in a public domain (albeit one that is privately owend and operated)
I respect your right as a third party to not allow such discussion in a business space (for thats what it is) - in fact I would do the same - but to call it a private negotiation is misleading
I have sent an email to LOC with my opinion about all this and the history that may be lost.
Not sharing it in here.
Maybe it's time to let go now raggy. You're like a dog with a bone.
Someone else is taking some photos. Is it that big a deal?
thanks for sending the link to the "other forum" Rider5.
Hm... I can understand why Col would be upset.
Personally I know a number of photographers that have given up on covering any type of water sport including windsurfing. Why? The list of reasons is long but here a short selection of what I have been told: companies don't value photography, companies disregard copyright and intellectual property, the financial rewards are so poor you can't run a business from it...
In regards to not using Cols services... I guess we do live in a free market economy where companies can choose to hire who ever they want to hire... in my experience favours in the form of freebees never pay back in the long run. That's why I have given up on them a long time ago. You want my services you have to pay cold hard cash. End of story.
I am guessing Col will think twice about spending his own time and money for this sort of thing in the future.
Now let's all go back to posting juvenile photos and message such as the one in this thread: www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=59355
Just wondering if I have missed something but does anyone know if John Carter is actually being paid or if he is just there because the event has become big enough to warrant him flying over and trying to get some shots that are good enough to sell to a magazine?
I agree with shludhger, you should never perform "favours" unless they are simultaneously reciprocated. As far as paying cold hard cash for services, good luck with that Tommy. ![]()