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More on nature's design influences

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Created by nosinkanow > 9 months ago, 20 Jul 2010
nosinkanow
NSW, 441 posts
20 Jul 2010 6:48PM
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While on the subject of Biomimicry hows this concept learnt from bumps (tubercles) on the *leading edge* of Humpback pectoral fins, a totally different approach from the evolution of wing, sail and fins as we know it. Interesting insight and perhaps food for thought? Looks pretty lethal though.

http://www.whalepower.com/drupal/?q=node/1
or more directly to the point www.whalepower.com/drupal/?q=node/3





Quote below from one of many links on the study;
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7650744

"The humpback whale flipper had a cross-sectional design typical of manufactured aerodynamic foils for lift generation. The morphology and placement of leading edge tubercles suggest that they function as enhanced lift devices to control flow over the flipper and maintain lift at high angles of attack. The morphology of the humpback whale flipper suggests that it is adapted for high maneuverability associated with the whale's unique feeding behavior."

Fascinating stuff. My amateur conclusion are the bumps increases surface area.

Yup it's winter alright. Blowing S/SW maxed between 17-23knots for 2 hours and I'm working...and freakin' cold....SHUT THE DOOR you're letting in a draft
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Chris 249
NSW, 3589 posts
20 Jul 2010 10:04PM
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I don't think it's completely new - it seems to be the same as the vortex inducers on the mast of Gretel II, the Australian challenger for the America's Cup of 1970.

Vortex inducers don't increase surface area; they change the turbulence of the laminar flow and therefore cause it to stay attached longer, IIRC.

NotWal
QLD, 7436 posts
20 Jul 2010 10:29PM
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That guy uses "morphology" incorrectly. Morphology is the study of shapes.
He should have said "shape".

Windxtasy
WA, 4019 posts
20 Jul 2010 10:32PM
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Morphology is more than just shape, it is the form and structure of an organ considered as a whole.

barn
WA, 2960 posts
20 Jul 2010 10:47PM
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I was inspired by this, but it makes absolutely no noticeable difference for cumbersome windsurfing primates.. but on the evolutionary timescale of the humpback the smallest advantage will retained and refined.


any new human technology is always preceded by nature.. with more style

Mrgob
116 posts
21 Jul 2010 6:16AM
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Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!

choco
SA, 4187 posts
21 Jul 2010 8:29AM
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www.designlessacher.de/

DavMen
NSW, 1510 posts
21 Jul 2010 9:03AM
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Mrgob said...

Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!


here you go

nosinkanow
NSW, 441 posts
21 Jul 2010 7:01PM
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Pronounced "tooberclay" with the pretentious accent on the 'e'. So I wasn't that busy today OK?!


NotWal
QLD, 7436 posts
21 Jul 2010 7:20PM
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Windxtasy said...

Morphology is more than just shape, it is the form and structure of an organ considered as a whole.




Do you mean taking the innards into consideration?
I've always thought about it as topology not infrastructure. I'll have to check :)

NotWal
QLD, 7436 posts
21 Jul 2010 7:30PM
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Mrgob said...

Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!


hehe The venerable Stephen J Gould pointed one out. It was a bacterium with a bit that revolved around another bit like a wheel on an axle. That's all I remember, sorry.

Pugwash
WA, 7733 posts
21 Jul 2010 5:33PM
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nosinkanow said...

Pronounced "tooberclay" with the pretentious accent on the 'e'. So I wasn't that busy today OK?!





Excellent weed grabber fins

NotWal
QLD, 7436 posts
21 Jul 2010 7:36PM
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NotWal said...

Windxtasy said...

Morphology is more than just shape, it is the form and structure of an organ considered as a whole.




Do you mean taking the innards into consideration?
I've always thought about it as topology not infrastructure. I'll have to check :)


Having checked, I see what you mean. Its about more than topology but I still think that is an incorrect usage. I think he's talking about "shape".

Windxtasy
WA, 4019 posts
21 Jul 2010 6:44PM
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NotWal said...

NotWal said...

Windxtasy said...

Morphology is more than just shape, it is the form and structure of an organ considered as a whole.




Do you mean taking the innards into consideration?
I've always thought about it as topology not infrastructure. I'll have to check :)


Having checked, I see what you mean. Its about more than topology but I still think that is an incorrect usage. I think he's talking about "shape".


The morphology and placement of leading edge tubercles suggest that they function as enhanced lift devices to control flow over the flipper and maintain lift at high angles of attack. The morphology of the humpback whale flipper suggests that it is adapted for high maneuverability associated with the whale's unique feeding behavior."

That is the way the word is usually used. It means 3D shape, texture, supporting structures, as they relate to function.

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
21 Jul 2010 11:22PM
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Mrgob said...

Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!


Wheel can't evolve because there's no small step to get an axis and a wheel from a normal bone

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
21 Jul 2010 9:46PM
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Windxtasy said...

The morphology and placement of leading edge tubercles suggest that they function as enhanced lift devices to control flow over the flipper and maintain lift at high angles of attack. The morphology of the humpback whale flipper suggests that it is adapted for high maneuverability associated with the whale's unique feeding behavior."

That is the way the word is usually used. It means 3D shape, texture, supporting structures, as they relate to function.


Only when talking about astronomy apparently:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphology

I think it might be similar to the word 'enormity', in that it is so frequently misused that its true meaning has been diluted.

What really bakes my noodle is the realisation that if enough people misuse a word, then the misuse of that word becomes correct. GAAAAH!!!! That shouldn't be right.

Stand out from the crowd! Take a stand for the english language! Your kids will thank you.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
21 Jul 2010 9:52PM
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Mrgob said...

Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!


Or a car with legs

Mrgob
116 posts
22 Jul 2010 12:40AM
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There is a serious issue though, and we need to face where it may lead. Evolution has thrown up brains, which humans occasionally use. Doesn't this then give us the ability to improve on nature, and help evolution along with an eventual mastery of genetics?

The genie is already half way out of the bottle, and we live artificial lives, (wearing clothes and windsurfing) so why not give evolution a helping hand? Or are we still frightened of the dark?

barn
WA, 2960 posts
22 Jul 2010 12:49AM
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Mrgob said...

Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!


wheels are rubbish unless u spend billions of dollars on infrastructure.

A bicycle would have been awesome in australia 500 years ago?

ever since the wheel was invented, animals legs had to pull them around..

race a horse or a... velociraptor over rough terrain and the wheel looks pretty useless, especially in 50 years when all the fossil fuels run out and were towing all our wheels with animals legs again.

optical lenses, echolocation, electrolocation , hypodermic needles, solar power, electricity, there is even METAL in some wasp stings... flight, polar navigation, Celestial navigation... errr thermal regulated houses..

we cant even turn grass into milk yet..

Mrgob
116 posts
22 Jul 2010 1:23AM
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It's not what nature does Barn, but the extent to which, and how well it does it. You're not seriously suggesting that birds have flown to, and landed on the moon are you?

Does anyone really believe that when the fossil fuels run out there will be no alternative power source, (nuclear and hydrogen), and that we will be going back to horse and cart days?

Perhaps I'd better buy a dozen more mountain bikes as spares! (They don't need infrastructure anymore than my wave board does. ) As for outrunning a Velociraptor, why bother when I can shoot it! (I'd be inside a hydrogen powered tank of course.)



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