Things are a bit too tight at the moment to splash on a new SDM mast and I need to find one to suit my '08 KA Kult 6.4 (KA spec sez 430/21 or 460/25). I have used 2 of my existing masts, lengths are correct but bends are not. I have a 460 ART Speedstick which is stiffish and a 430 NP X3 (Matrix System Progressive Flex) which is dreadfully too stiff for it.
I need to find a 430 Constant Curve type, carbon not fussy but not 100%, can you peoples help me out with some brands and model names that are CC so I can keep an eye out in the classies etc.
If you have one for sale please contact me!
Thanks in advance.
When i bought my 5.8m Kult I researched masts and came up with a table of suitable masts for KA"s..I can't find it now but I remember Sailworks + powerex were ok.PM Gestalt.He seems to be a KA fan and know a bit about them.Have a look on their website too..I wish I could remember where it was.It may have been in one of the posts but I cant find it.
Mine sets great on my Sailworks 430 lipstick & its my favourite sail now. Great range , low end power but well behaved in top end.
The bend curve of the Art Speedstick should be OK. My understanding is that they are the same as a Powerex, 12% CC, but I may be mistaken??
The 460 is a little stiff for the 6.4 and it is nicer on a 430 but I have sailed with a 460 KA SDM on a 2010 6.4 kult (this mast is 12%) quite a lot and it,s very doable, just not perfect.
Hi Raf, I was using a Powerex 430 in the 6.4 and later got a KA mast and couldn't notice any difference. Lately I've been using Naish masts in my smaller KAs and they seem to suit really well. I tried that 6.4 with a 460 Naish and it felt good too, needed less effort than the Powerex to downhaul to the same luff length but still set pretty much the same.
After a little more research I found this which explains and confirms exactly why my 430 NP X3 doesn't suit my 6.4 KA Kult. This is taken from http://www.neilpryde.com/mast/masts-overview.html and is a very accurate illustration in my case.
The curve I am getting in the 430 NP X3 is shown in blue, I need the Constant Curve which is red. As you can see the bottom of the blue mast bend is quite stiff (shallow arc) which explains why my lower battens won't rotate. The top is also too stiff which again is showed in blue and explains why I can't get the head of the sail loose.
As the recommended alternative mast the 460 ART Speedstick 75% I have has the same curve as the NP X9 460 (grey in illustration above), which explains why I CAN get close to what my sail should look like and confirms what Mr. Love is getting too when he used the same stick.
Why don't the rest of the sail manufacturers show this kind of graph in their websites? In the real world we all can't afford to buy from one maker so this kind of thing is good for cross referencing. Top marks to NP for visually making it easier to understand.
Hey Jarrod, I think I've got it all solved, a local friend is updating his gear and if all the stars and planets line-up I could be the owner of a 2 year old RDM Ezzy mast + extension at a price I can afford. The Ezzy is a CC mast and has the ability to alter its length by changing tops whilst still staying constant curve. I want to rig the sail on this first and make sure it will do what I'm hoping it will do.
I've had a look at different mast websites, all make claim to have the best masts in the world, as you would. But bugger all tell me if their mast, or one of 'em is constant curve. I'm being baffled by percentages, if they came up with a graph as used by NP and showing a CC as a base line it would make it all much easier to understand.
If this Ezzy does what I hope it will do I might stick with them for all my masts in the future, I really like their modular approach, it's economical and workable.
The main problem is how to define constant curve.
Some of them say it is not like dangling a piece of string between two fingers to make a curve - the mast is fatter at one end so more deflection at the tip is still constant cos you'd expect the tip to bend more. So then they come up with rubbish like 'relatively constant curve" - WTF does that mean?
And of course flex tip sounds good as we all visualise twist and mast deflection, so no company would really write "stiff top" in huge letters in their promo stuff
I think NP can't really be congratulated for their nice graphic - the pessimist in me says it was only produced as they get such a sledging for making masts that only fit their sails, whereas another 10 manufacturers all have stuff that is relatively interchangable.
The solution I think is to stop using IMCS and a marketing word like flex top or CC
We need them all to show IMCS and a ratio of bottom 25% bend to top 25% bend ........ like 460/25 1:15 which shows the tip bends 15% more
Here is a website that I now always consult before bying a new sail or mast..
www.unifiber.net/masts-selector
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On a different note I wondered how many of us actually are able to feel a diference in performance when it comes to masts and sail combonations?
I know that my skills are way down but as an example, I sailed a 460 loft mast SDM with my KA6.6 rec mast 430, a sailworks 7.1 rec. Mast 490 and an old 5.1 Gaastra directed force. Next I'll rig my 8.4 maui on it and I reckon/hope it'll all be fine. I have recently got a 430ezzy mast and am using that now for the KA but I could not say that I feel any difference. But that's only me. Ignorance is bliss as they say![]()
I'll just sail as often as I can until I feel the difference and then act on it. As I said I am not good enough, I don't doubt others are, and some are just playing the game. Anyways, tomorrow I'll give it another go. BOTANY here I am yeah.