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Rdm or Sdm for Lightwind setup?

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Created by Darkplague > 9 months ago, 17 Jan 2012
Darkplague
SA, 197 posts
17 Jan 2012 8:04PM
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Hi,
I am after a sail to match my Fanatic Falcon 133 litre board (79cm wide) for light winds of 12-15 knots.

I was thinking of getting a 8.6m blade loft, comes with matching loft 490 rdm for this board as a lightwind rig. Option 2 is a Loft Switchblade 8.5m, comes with a matching loft SDM mast.

These are the 2 rigs I have to decide between. I wont have the oppurtunity to pretry any of this gear, so have to decide without trying 1st

My specs are 6ft tall, 95 kgs. Sailing style= maxed out, aggressive, like to be challenged.

From what ive read so far heavier sailors tend to use sdm more, saying that rdm's in 490+ length tend to feel too springy/spongy for there heavier weight.

Dont know how much of this is actually true or not but it does make sense.

So basically would like some input from you heavier sailors (95kgs+) out there
as to what would suit me better

Cheers guys


legless
SA, 852 posts
17 Jan 2012 8:47PM
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Darkplague said...

Hi,
I am after a sail to match my Fanatic Falcon 133 litre board (79cm wide) for light winds of 12-15 knots.

I was thinking of getting a 8.6m blade loft, comes with matching loft 490 rdm for this board as a lightwind rig. Option 2 is a Loft Switchblade 8.5m, comes with a matching loft SDM mast.

These are the 2 rigs I have to decide between. I wont have the oppurtunity to pretry any of this gear, so have to decide without trying 1st

My specs are 6ft tall, 95 kgs. Sailing style= maxed out, aggressive, like to be challenged.

From what ive read so far heavier sailors tend to use sdm more, saying that rdm's in 490+ length tend to feel too springy/spongy for there heavier weight.

Dont know how much of this is actually true or not but it does make sense.

So basically would like some input from you heavier sailors (95kgs+) out there
as to what would suit me better

Cheers guys





Forget Loft get a Hot Sails Maui 8.8m GPS with a match Hot Sails Maui RDM mast. It is better priced (25% off at the moment) and better built than Loft.

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
17 Jan 2012 8:23PM
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Some of the racers up here use RDMs on Loft 8.6s. I'm sure if they thought SDM was an advantage they'd use them instead. Hopefully they'll provide their opinions for you. Lofts are also cut for constant curve masts so you stand a chance of finding a few different brands of mast that will work with them.

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
17 Jan 2012 8:47PM
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legless said...


Forget Loft get a Hot Sails Maui 8.8m GPS with a match Hot Sails Maui RDM mast. It is better priced (25% off at the moment) and better built than Loft.


Well done on answering the original question.

legless
SA, 852 posts
17 Jan 2012 9:25PM
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aus301 said...

legless said...


Forget Loft get a Hot Sails Maui 8.8m GPS with a match Hot Sails Maui RDM mast. It is better priced (25% off at the moment) and better built than Loft.


Well done on answering the original question.


Considering I am a heavy weight I did answer the question if I was looking for a light wind sail for the kind of sailing Mark is into I would go with a Hot Sails Mail 8.8 GPS with the RDM mast it could be rigged with a SDM mast but I think it will rig better in the bigger sizes as suggested by Hot Sails Maui with a 100% carbon RDM.

divaldo
SA, 2879 posts
17 Jan 2012 9:51PM
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Pretty sure you didn't answer the question, DP asked opinions on two Loft sails, not sure he asked for opinions on someone trying to sell him another brand.

DP do you use RDMs now?

From my experience it's always ideal to have a sail that matches the same brands mast, option 1 would be my pic.

Darkplague
SA, 197 posts
17 Jan 2012 10:21PM
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divaldo said...

Pretty sure you didn't answer the question, DP asked opinions on two Loft sails, not sure he asked for opinions on someone trying to sell him another brand.

DP do you use RDMs now?

From my experience it's always ideal to have a sail that matches the same brands mast, option 1 would be my pic.


Yes, I mostly use loft rdm masts now for most of my sailing of 7m and under sizes.

Option 1 and 2 both have there respect compatible loft masts, just that the blade would come with rdm, and the switchblade would be sdm.

I need to work out which will be more suitable for my weight and style??

Any heavy sailors out there that have used an 8.6m loft with 490 loft rdm?, If so, did it feel "spongy" of "springy" ??



Darkplague
SA, 197 posts
17 Jan 2012 10:24PM
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Forget Loft get a Hot Sails Maui 8.8m GPS with a match Hot Sails Maui RDM mast. It is better priced (25% off at the moment) and better built than Loft.



Sounds good, however I just want to stick with the 1 brand now as I use loft for most of my sailing nowadays.

mr love
VIC, 2424 posts
17 Jan 2012 11:22PM
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For a lightwind setup I think SDM will be superior. They tend to be stiffer in the lower section, around the boom area which generally lets the sail set a bit fuller in the lower half.
In theory if the 2 masts, RDM and SDM have the same bend curve then there should be little difference, but my experience with KA Koncepts in the larger sizes has been that the SDM gives a marginally more powerful setup.
I think Monty may have a bit of a discussion about this on the Loft website, could be worth a look there.

vando
QLD, 3419 posts
17 Jan 2012 10:49PM
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mr love said...

For a lightwind setup I think SDM will be superior. They tend to be stiffer in the lower section, around the boom area which generally lets the sail set a bit fuller in the lower half.
In theory if the 2 masts, RDM and SDM have the same bend curve then there should be little difference, but my experience with KA Koncepts in the larger sizes has been that the SDM gives a marginally more powerful setup.
I think Monty may have a bit of a discussion about this on the Loft website, could be worth a look there.




Hi Martin Ive had a chance to try both types of mast in the Blades as they come with both types of cams and agree the SDM is marginally better in Bottom but I do find the RDM much nicer to pump and more forgiving, speed wise I don't think there is much in it. Durability wise RDM rules

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
17 Jan 2012 11:52PM
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vando said...


Hi Martin Ive had a chance to try both types of mast in the Blades as they come with both types of cams and agree the SDM is marginally better in Bottom but I do find the RDM much nicer to pump and more forgiving, speed wise I don't think there is much in it. Durability wise RDM rules



Darkplague; pay attention to Vando, not me!

Darkplague
SA, 197 posts
18 Jan 2012 1:28AM
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Ok ive decided to go with the 8.6m blade and 490 rdm combo.
I think the pros outweigh the cons on this topic after reading everyones input.

Rdm 's also rotate a lot smoother imo than sdm, so if ya love ya gybes then its a no brainer for me :P





mr love
VIC, 2424 posts
18 Jan 2012 8:32AM
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Valid point about the extra durability of an RDM Vando. I am running RDM's on my smaller Koncepts ( the speed sizes) as I am much more likely to have a big off speed sailing than lightwind cruising. Like the Blade you can use either RDM or SDM on the Koncepts just by changing the cams.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8354 posts
18 Jan 2012 9:18AM
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I know I've been told before but i still keep getting them mixed up..SDM = standard diameter? RDM = skinny?

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
18 Jan 2012 9:45AM
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correct - RDM = Reduced diameter ...

ejmack
VIC, 1308 posts
18 Jan 2012 9:47AM
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sboardcrazy said...

I know I've been told before but i still keep getting them mixed up..SDM = standard diameter? RDM = skinny?


"S"= standard "R"= reduced sboardcrazy

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
18 Jan 2012 11:05AM
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sboardcrazy said...

I know I've been told before but i still keep getting them mixed up..SDM = standard diameter? RDM = skinny?


I use an RDM on my FWS FSW for B'n'J not GPS.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
18 Jan 2012 11:39AM
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evlPanda said...

sboardcrazy said...

I know I've been told before but i still keep getting them mixed up..SDM = standard diameter? RDM = skinny?


I use an RDM on my FWS FSW for B'n'J not GPS.


LOL & BRB!



Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
18 Jan 2012 1:28PM
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I can give you my experiences from some recent experimenting I have done with a HSM GPS demo sail. I'm around 92kg and I like to rig big so i can stay powered in gusty conditions.

Rigging the GPS with the reccommended skinny (RDM).
The sail felt springy and soft and seemed to twist off better (but I havent had a lot of time and tuning).
The whole skinny thing is new to me, but what I liked is that the softer sail had a lot less shock and impact transmitted through rig, board and my knees. This meant that I could charge harder through chop, not tire as quick and probably end up being faster.

Rigging the same sail with an NP SDM there was a noticeable increase in the the belly below the boom and you could really feel the extra power. I needed more DH to improve the twist, which didn't feel as good. I felt the bumps more.

I would encourage you to give the skinny option a try, you may like it for the sort of sailing you do.

choco
SA, 4187 posts
18 Jan 2012 3:03PM
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The Loft pro riders/while testing new sails found there was no difference in top speed between the 2 mast types, the SDM masts accelerated quicker than the RDM, RDM's however were less tiring and easy to close down in rougher conditions + alot more durable, only downside is that they are slightly heavier than equivalent SDM mast.

slalomfreak
NSW, 304 posts
18 Jan 2012 3:58PM
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choco said...

The Loft pro riders/while testing new sails found there was no difference in top speed between the 2 mast types, the SDM masts accelerated quicker than the RDM, RDM's however were less tiring and easy to close down in rougher conditions + alot more durable, only downside is that they are slightly heavier than equivalent SDM mast.



yes RDM is noticeably a heavier on land than a 100% SDM carbon rig but on the water feels much the same.

nosinkanow
NSW, 441 posts
18 Jan 2012 4:11PM
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I'm paying close attention to this discussion as I might look into a 8.5-ish in the future and I'm also 95kg-ish. I've been lead to believe the future was in RDM and SDM will eventually be phased out? Because of this I've only looked at sails and rigs to suit RDM...have I been mislead?

choco
SA, 4187 posts
18 Jan 2012 5:28PM
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nosinkanow said...

I'm paying close attention to this discussion as I might look into a 8.5-ish in the future and I'm also 95kg-ish. I've been lead to believe the future was in RDM and SDM will eventually be phased out? Because of this I've only looked at sails and rigs to suit RDM...have I been mislead?


If your into racing SDM will give you more power and acceleration, in saying that if it's windy 20+ knts wont be alot in it, I'm 100kg and use all RDM in all my sails including 8.6 have used SDM masts as well can't really tell the difference in the wind, RDM lot more comfortable SDM feel more physical.
For doing GPS sailing or fun RDM masts will do the job nicely as stated before they are more durable plus you can use them in your wave/free ride sails eliminating they need for 2 sets of masts

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8354 posts
18 Jan 2012 6:08PM
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So for a lightweight a RDM would be more comfortable in choppy stronger wind..?

choco
SA, 4187 posts
18 Jan 2012 6:19PM
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sboardcrazy said...

So for a lightweight a RDM would be more comfortable in choppy stronger wind..?


definetly

lao shi
WA, 1349 posts
18 Jan 2012 4:14PM
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Just to further complicate the issue, sorry.
I use a 430 powerex rdm on my loft blades 7m 2011, 6.3m 2012 and really like the way they work.
I recently put a powerex 460 100% rdm in the 7m (4cm over length) and it really changed the feel to a more powerful, draught further forward sail and feels great for lighter winds.

So it is not simply rdm vs sdm argument
As a 75kg sailor though I definitely prefer rdm.

choco
SA, 4187 posts
18 Jan 2012 7:43PM
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did you cut down the mast Lao?



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