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Created by Go > 9 months ago, 15 Dec 2007
Go
VIC, 28 posts
15 Dec 2007 9:16PM
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www.easyuphaul.com/
Anybody knows if that works ?

jord070
WA, 1109 posts
15 Dec 2007 7:18PM
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just a waist of money


it does help a little while learning the basics, but its unnessicary

but let the wind pick up the sail and you will be out befor the waterstarter gets you out

Go
VIC, 28 posts
15 Dec 2007 9:34PM
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Sorry my stupid mistake ! This is not waterstarter-this is "easy uphaul"... :(

jord070
WA, 1109 posts
15 Dec 2007 7:48PM
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oh rite,

well i like the idea behind that, while i was still learning and has to uphaul i hated the initial lift up of the sail, if you can get one for the same price or only a few bucks mroe, i would say give it a shot because you can still use it as a normal uphaul if it is crap

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
15 Dec 2007 7:48PM
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Go, you wont need the up-haul, watch the water start section, and try it yourself and you will be surprised how fast you get into water starting. An option to the float thing, Half a pool noodle works just as well, and stops sail sinking.

raggy
VIC, 564 posts
19 Dec 2007 3:44PM
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I have a waterstarter and it works it,s the kind of thing you use and then pass on

swoosh
QLD, 1929 posts
19 Dec 2007 4:42PM
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i dunno if this is 'good' for your board, but what i do to help get the sail out of the water while uphauling, is lean on the windward edge of my board pushing it underwater, the other side of the board will pop outta the water, and help clear the sail from the water which is the hardest part in my opinion. Once the sail is out of the water the rest of it is easy peasy. Obviously you need a floater to do this, and be gentle! I haven't noticed any dings etc from this method.


Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
19 Dec 2007 8:58PM
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swoosh said...

i dunno if this is 'good' for your board, but what i do to help get the sail out of the water while uphauling, is lean on the windward edge of my board pushing it underwater, the other side of the board will pop outta the water, and help clear the sail from the water which is the hardest part in my opinion. Once the sail is out of the water the rest of it is easy peasy. Obviously you need a floater to do this, and be gentle! I haven't noticed any dings etc from this method.





Can that be good for your masttrack/uni?

555
892 posts
19 Dec 2007 7:21PM
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Sailhack said...
Can that be good for your masttrack/uni?


Probably not, but have you seen the video of the guy in Bonaire doing 'The Matrix'? That's the freestyle move where you stand on the clew of the sail while spinning around madly doing your best impersonation of a washing machine on spin cycle.

Compared to 'The Matrix', or getting rinsed by a mast high set, using the mast track/board to lever the rig out of the water is barely even on the scale!

I just bought a massive board - there's barely any wind here either, and I reckon it's time to get serious about some of this freestyle sail 'dancing'.. The Matrix included.

FormulaBoy
VIC, 31 posts
19 Dec 2007 9:21PM
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I think it depends on how big your sail is really i mean on my formula board there is no way i could water start i have a 9.0 sailworks and a 11.7 rs:3 and they would just push me under the water.

NotWal
QLD, 7436 posts
19 Dec 2007 8:24PM
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Those easy uphauls are nice for big sails (8 +). However its just as easy to tie a bit of rope onto the middle of your uphaul. Tie a loop in the end with a slip knot so you can adjust it on the water. Let it hang free. Its easy to reach. You just start to uphaul as usual but grab the new bit bend your knees and hook it onto your harness and just lean back.

If you don't use big sails then I wouldn't bother with it unless you are a beginner. Then it could really extend your time on the water. I remember those days when I was barely able to raise the strength to hold onto the booms because uphauling had turned my forearms to jelly.

555
892 posts
19 Dec 2007 7:30PM
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Oh, and back on the topic...

My Dad has an official easy-uphaul.. he's never actually used it like it was designed. I copied it with materials from the local outdoors place, but I waterstart most of the time, and don't have any issues with straining my back during an uphaul, so I've never used mine in anger either!

They're more expensive than your ordinary uphaul, and have more knots/buckles etc to crush between your mast and board which leave dents in your deck.

It seems like a good idea, especially if you were regularly uphauling a massive sail (8m and up) but it'd have to be pretty low wind not to waterstart anyway. Probably a race sail with the big luff tube full of water would be a good candidate..

I have heard that some of the resort places only use the easy-uphaul..

So, in answer to the original question: Yes, it does work.

FormulaNova
WA, 15111 posts
19 Dec 2007 8:21PM
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FormulaBoy said...

I think it depends on how big your sail is really i mean on my formula board there is no way i could water start i have a 9.0 sailworks and a 11.7 rs:3 and they would just push me under the water.


It get's easier. You need wind of course.

I spent ages trying to uphaul a 12.5m when I first took it for a sail, and getting tired from doing it. It was only towards the end of the session that I realised that it was far far easier to waterstart it, which was easy. You get that in 16knots or so with a 12.5m I couldn't make it do much other but go straight up wind, but that's another story.

If they are pushing you under water I think you need to fly them first.

swoosh
QLD, 1929 posts
19 Dec 2007 9:29PM
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Sailhack said...

swoosh said...

i dunno if this is 'good' for your board, but what i do to help get the sail out of the water while uphauling, is lean on the windward edge of my board pushing it underwater, the other side of the board will pop outta the water, and help clear the sail from the water which is the hardest part in my opinion. Once the sail is out of the water the rest of it is easy peasy. Obviously you need a floater to do this, and be gentle! I haven't noticed any dings etc from this method.





Can that be good for your masttrack/uni?



I dunno, it doesn't really seem like that much force, I still put most of my effort through the uphaul, the board just assists. I imagine the masttrack/uni cop a lot more abuse in general sailing and stacks then when I use it to help me uphaul. I have a 96L freestyle board and a 5.9m sail, so its not a massive sail.




Haircut
QLD, 6491 posts
19 Dec 2007 10:52PM
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swoosh, did u get your sail fixed?

swoosh
QLD, 1929 posts
20 Dec 2007 1:01AM
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haven't got it back yet :(, should be done end of week, so tomorrow/friday hopefully.

bit the bullet and got a new sail on order as well, should be here tomorrow :D 07 NorthSails Duke.




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