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downhaul question??

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Created by r2908 > 9 months ago, 31 Mar 2011
r2908
NSW, 214 posts
31 Mar 2011 6:02PM
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hi
i started sailing again this summer after maybe a decade or more on the couch, i gave away all my old 90's gear and bought second hand gear around the 2006 age and wow what a difference. love this sport. i even did a heli tack today, !!

im wondering ???
if the downhaul says 430 and you want to not fully haul it
do you adjust the mast extn to 428 or
leave 430 and have 20mm of rope through the pullys
or it dosen t matter???
or every band is different

hope this makes sense
thanks

busterwa
3782 posts
31 Mar 2011 3:20PM
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r2908 said...



if the downhaul says 430 and you want to not fully haul it


I usually down haul till the top 3 battens or the second batten between the two. become loose . The sail will feel like poo if you leave it loose.
Why are you leaving the downhaul loose?
Rench that **** right out and dont leave it loose.
Keep the extention to a minimal to prevent breaking it. It will still bend into an oval shape

Rad Lad
226 posts
31 Mar 2011 3:23PM
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Welcome back r2908.

Generally speaking the Luff measurements are normally indicated on the sail not the downhaul measurements. For example, it might say Luff 438. Luff is the length of the leading edge of the sail so therefore if you are using a 430 Mast you would need to extend your mast extention by 8cm (ie 430 + 8 = 438).

As a general rule you want the gap between the pulley and the bottom of the mast extention to be minimal. For example, if the Luff is 438 and you extended your mast extention by 20 (ie 430 + 20 = 450) and only downhauled to 438 leaving a 12cm gap, this would bad.

Leaving an extra 2cm just in case you need to crank it down a bit more would be ok.

nosinkanow
NSW, 441 posts
31 Mar 2011 7:13PM
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busterwa said...
I usually down haul till the top 3 battens or the second batten between the two. become loose . ----- Rench that **** right out and dont leave it loose.



But some sails need the head loose especially for high wind? My Ezzy and KA specifies that, for lighter wind less downhaul so the leech tightens up and less air is spilled. Wave sails tend to be set flat but I thought the loose head thing (more downhaul) is a generic setting for most sails?

decrepit
WA, 12887 posts
31 Mar 2011 5:21PM
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I don't think you can generalise here. Sails are different, some will benefit from a little less downhaul in light winds some won't. Doesn't hurt to experiment and find out.

Mark _australia
WA, 23715 posts
31 Mar 2011 6:43PM
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decrepit said...

I don't think you can generalise here. Sails are different, some will benefit from a little less downhaul in light winds some won't. Doesn't hurt to experiment and find out.


Agreed. Some tune off the downhaul, others (rarer) tune off the outhaul (ie leave the downhaul pretty much the same and adjust outhaul by 1cm ish)

Thus it would be helpful to know what sails and what masts r2908

Oh yeah and agree with the 2cm ish gap from tack to pulley - even up to 5cm is not going to hurt much

TristanF
VIC, 230 posts
31 Mar 2011 11:14PM
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And then there's the reality that even two sails of the same size and model can be different.

I recently picked up a 2nd hand Naish Sprint 6.6 to replace my existing one that's getting pretty worn, and discovered that I needed an extra 4cm of extension to get the same twist off and feel.

Just another reminder that using the measurements as an approximation only, and to use your eyes.

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
3 Apr 2011 6:50PM
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right, ok now im really confused
i guess its just what feels best and the sail luff is just an approx guide

im using severne airotek & ezzy sails on a 400 powerex RDM & seems to sail fine

i also noticed that the 3 (NP, Chinnook & no name) mast extns i have are different from the pully to the base, this is a bit annoying and changes the luff measurements

chinnook has the lowest pully so i use that one
they don t want to make it simple hey??

thanks
for the help





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