Hi. I've owned a quatro quad ls 75 2012, a quatro quad 80 2015 and a quatro cube 81 2018. The only one which surfs well in my opinion is the quad 80 in spite of having the widest tail of the three. I prefer the goyas, both tris and quad surf looser.
Has someone changed the fins of the cube 81 to turn looser and got it? How? K4 fins? Which model and size?
Thanks
What's wrong with MFC fins? If the stock fins that come with the board are too big for your liking, just try a size smaller.
I think even the older quatro quads are pretty amazing, haven't found anything to complain about.
I rate them amongst the best wave boards ever. I note your idea of looser boards are ones that are not typically known for being really loose - they’d be akin to the Quatro for most folks I think. Its not like you said Pyramid which would of course be.
Thus, have you measured all your setup on the ones u like vs the Quatro? Stance vs fin positions
I find they’re better with the mast base a bit behind centre unless you really need to engage more rail in the bottom turn as they are of course not a full DTL only board. Base to rear a bit improves planing threshold and definitely looseness for me - but as I said I never thought the latter was lacking
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Hi. I've owned a quatro quad ls 75 2012, a quatro quad 80 2015 and a quatro cube 81 2018. The only one which surfs well in my opinion is the quad 80 in spite of having the widest tail of the three. I prefer the goyas, both tris and quad surf looser.
Has someone changed the fins of the cube 81 to turn looser and got it? How? K4 fins? Which model and size?
Thanks
Just contact k4 uk direct.An incinerator set will loosen board considerably as they are low area for size.
Apart from other good opinions, I've found this review. I completey agree. See "It inittially..." Maybe this is more related to light riders.
That implies push it harder in bottom turn but you’re saying it’s not loose enough?
What have you tried so far?
Usual options:
- Moving front fins back
- Back fins forward
- Mast foot back
- Straps back
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Apart from other good opinions, I've found this review. I completey agree. See "It inittially..." Maybe this is more related to light riders.
Forceful style does not sound good for lightweights ,one of those boards that would be riding you .
I have the 2020 Cube 87, 2020 Cube 98 L and a Severne Pyro 105 L at home, a 2016 Cube 95 L in South Africa for Christmas holidays, and a 2020 Cube 106 L in Puerto Rico for long weekend trips. I ride all of them as a twin in cross on and quads in cross or cross off. The Cubes are absolutely brilliant boards. The Pyro is a great board, but for me the Cube has something special.
I ride front strap in front hole, back strap in back hole for cross and cross off, and one further forward for cross on. Mast base is always behind the middle of the mast track. For quad I use the stock MFC front fins and K4 incinerator rear. For twin I use Black Project Epic Wave. The stock MFC rear fins were very meh, tossing them away was an instant performance upgrade. For quads rear fins I go slightly smaller than stock fins and for twins I go quite big. For reference I weigh 90 kg.
Fin size wise, for 106 L I use 17.5 Black Project fins for twin, and K4 incinerator 16 cm rears. I think the stock MFC rears were 16.5 and very wide, so a lot more area than the K4s. For 98 L I use 16.5 cm for twins and for quad rears I use 15.5 cm K4 Incinerator.
And what about putting asymmetrical front fins? I used K4 Ezzy 2 degree for front fins in a thruster and improved my turn a lot. Anybody could say the difference in feeling between AI and ezzy K4 fins for onshore small wave conditions?
I‘m curious to know what the initiator of this thread wants to get from the Board? Sometimes my feeling is people talk about different things if they talk about loose Boards. Owned a few Cubes now and I can say it is loose but you need to ride it differently to the Goya Custom Quad or Pyramid. Drive the Cube off the rear section of the rail at the center of your bottom turn. The tail will release more easily and the board will project vertically up the lip. The downside is that once you’ve engaged the rail and committed to the angle, it’s difficult to adjust your line. But however if you have figured that out this Board will give you a lot of fun. If that’s not your style of surfing, then you’d be better off on the Goya Custom Quad. It’s a more balanced board overall, does it well without any adaptation but this sometimes feels a bit unexciting. Don’t get me wrong this is also a very nice Board for a variety of riders. The Pyramid, which likes to be surfed with a lot of weight over the front foot, is much more responsive if you want to tighten or adjust your turn mid face. Its a crazy Board I like it very much, exactly what you want in side sideshore to sideoff conditions, starting from shoulder-high waves.
Regarding fins I‘ve also tried out a lot. Like the Cube 93 as a Twin (16.5) in 5.0, 4.8 conditions used it always as a quad when the Wind picked up. The MFC fins are quite good in a variety of conditions from onshore to sideoff but for sideoff conditions like in Gnaraloo or the SA I always used MFC KS 14 or Flikka Customs 14.5 which are a bit softer and more swept back on the 80/84. I also had the K4 Leon but didn’t like them so much maybe the Incinerator are something to try out.
Indeed, MFC K300 quad fins are fire! With a 86 litres quad I have been using 14 cm centers, 9 cm sides.
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I‘m curious to know what the initiator of this thread wants to get from the Board? Sometimes my feeling is people talk about different things if they talk about loose Boards. Owned a few Cubes now and I can say it is loose but you need to ride it differently to the Goya Custom Quad or Pyramid. Drive the Cube off the rear section of the rail at the center of your bottom turn. The tail will release more easily and the board will project vertically up the lip. The downside is that once you’ve engaged the rail and committed to the angle, it’s difficult to adjust your line. But however if you have figured that out this Board will give you a lot of fun. If that’s not your style of surfing, then you’d be better off on the Goya Custom Quad. It’s a more balanced board overall, does it well without any adaptation but this sometimes feels a bit unexciting. Don’t get me wrong this is also a very nice Board for a variety of riders. The Pyramid, which likes to be surfed with a lot of weight over the front foot, is much more responsive if you want to tighten or adjust your turn mid face. Its a crazy Board I like it very much, exactly what you want in side sideshore to sideoff conditions, starting from shoulder-high waves.
Hi. Maybe I'm not so technical as you all. I don't have so many wind and waves days either. What I mean is the feeling of tightening the turn as much as I want with no effort in cross on. The best board I've tried according to this feeling is the goya custom quad 84 from 2015. No matter the tunning, this board turns incredible. Most of the cubes in the same conditions do much wider arcs. Maybe I should ride them in a different way.
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I‘m curious to know what the initiator of this thread wants to get from the Board? Sometimes my feeling is people talk about different things if they talk about loose Boards. Owned a few Cubes now and I can say it is loose but you need to ride it differently to the Goya Custom Quad or Pyramid. Drive the Cube off the rear section of the rail at the center of your bottom turn. The tail will release more easily and the board will project vertically up the lip. The downside is that once you’ve engaged the rail and committed to the angle, it’s difficult to adjust your line. But however if you have figured that out this Board will give you a lot of fun. If that’s not your style of surfing, then you’d be better off on the Goya Custom Quad. It’s a more balanced board overall, does it well without any adaptation but this sometimes feels a bit unexciting. Don’t get me wrong this is also a very nice Board for a variety of riders. The Pyramid, which likes to be surfed with a lot of weight over the front foot, is much more responsive if you want to tighten or adjust your turn mid face. Its a crazy Board I like it very much, exactly what you want in side sideshore to sideoff conditions, starting from shoulder-high waves.
Hi. Maybe I'm not so technical as you all. I don't have so many wind and waves days either. What I mean is the feeling of tightening the turn as much as I want with no effort in cross on. The best board I've tried according to this feeling is the goya custom quad 84 from 2015. No matter the tunning, this board turns incredible. Most of the cubes in the same conditions do much wider arcs. Maybe I should ride them in a different way.
I don't like any of the cubes aswell. I believe that quatro in gernal are completely overrated and Goyas ara much better for the mere mortals. But you have many quatro lovers. And that is good. Wave-riding especially is very much personal. You found a board which makes you happy. What else do you need.
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I‘m curious to know what the initiator of this thread wants to get from the Board? Sometimes my feeling is people talk about different things if they talk about loose Boards. Owned a few Cubes now and I can say it is loose but you need to ride it differently to the Goya Custom Quad or Pyramid. Drive the Cube off the rear section of the rail at the center of your bottom turn. The tail will release more easily and the board will project vertically up the lip. The downside is that once you’ve engaged the rail and committed to the angle, it’s difficult to adjust your line. But however if you have figured that out this Board will give you a lot of fun. If that’s not your style of surfing, then you’d be better off on the Goya Custom Quad. It’s a more balanced board overall, does it well without any adaptation but this sometimes feels a bit unexciting. Don’t get me wrong this is also a very nice Board for a variety of riders. The Pyramid, which likes to be surfed with a lot of weight over the front foot, is much more responsive if you want to tighten or adjust your turn mid face. Its a crazy Board I like it very much, exactly what you want in side sideshore to sideoff conditions, starting from shoulder-high waves.
Hi. Maybe I'm not so technical as you all. I don't have so many wind and waves days either. What I mean is the feeling of tightening the turn as much as I want with no effort in cross on. The best board I've tried according to this feeling is the goya custom quad 84 from 2015. No matter the tunning, this board turns incredible. Most of the cubes in the same conditions do much wider arcs. Maybe I should ride them in a different way.
OK then you need more twinny feeling
Try slightly larger main fins with smaller sides and move the sides all the way back (I do that with almost all quads if it is cross on) ..... or just use it is a twin (but that can be a handful and take some getting used to). Prob mast base back a bit. I am behind centre on almost every quad I can think of. There's another way but I incorporate it into some boards I make so nuh-uh sorry.
