Hi all
Sorry for the Severne Moto topic again but i tried go post to the other post but it is closed because it is old
My problem:
I am a Severne OD windsurfer for 12 years, going through a lot of OD generations and loving them for my type of sailing specially the M4s
Now as they are gone from the range and my OD s are getting beat up i need to change them and i am very very afraid to do the change to the Severne Moto because i have read a lot of good and bad things for the Motos
I have the 5.2 ; 6.2 ; 7.0 and 7.8 ODs and need to start replacing them and i am afraid that the Motos will not have the drive and power of the ODs and i will miss a lot of efficiency and wind range i am used to have
I am 80kg and 56 years old and use the ODs with Isonics and a Severne Fox 95 for when it is very choppy
I sail in flat to choppy waters with open ocean swell sometimes
Should i consider going to another sail brand that has a 3 CAM sail so i can still maintain the ODS feeling?
Is there anyone you is having the same problem or anyone who already as done the transition from ODs to Motos and can give their feedback
Thanks
I find the Motos don't have the bottom end of the Turbos but I'm not sure of the difference between them and my OD's..
They are great in shallow water with consistent wind.
Great overpowered..remember, I'm an old weakling, hence the shallow water.. I find anything that has a luff tube that fills is a handful for me in deep choppy water..🙄
There are some good 3 cam sails out there. One of the better sailors at the recent Burrum Windfest used the 3 cam Patrik sail (GT3?) to great effect.
You could try out the race sails from Severne, since you already have the correct masts (I guess).
I only have two overdrives myself one 8.6 R8 and one 7.8 M4. I do like the R8 one, much lighter than the Race Reflex sails from that time, but the OD M4 doesn't give much advantage compared to a 7.8 race M1 sail that I also have. The Mach race sails are much lighter than the older reflex (race) sails, and they are only a little heavier than the OD. The weight difference is mostly felt on land and a little in the gybes, but the Mach sails have a much better drive and range compared to the OD, in my oppinion. I haven't sailed them on the same day, but I feel that the mach sails have both a better low end and a better high end. They also feel more "efficient" and once up to speed they coast better through lulls. Below 7.8m^2 they only get better and better, in terms of handling and weight, and the 7.0 M2 (race) is a real favourite of mine. So light in the hand and plenty of drive without pushing down on the board, highly recommended. đź‘Ť
So if you haven't tried the mach sails before I would recommend/suggest to try them first, before possibly moving to another brand.
PS. I'm 57 years old and around 65kg in weight.
Go the Motos. I've tried them (I sail Mach's from 2 and now have the 9's) so am used to race sails. The Motos are just as stable and efficient as the Mach really. They only lose it a bit at the top end maxed in wind, but that's typical given the 3 cam set up. Very lighter than the Machs and EASY to gybe. I had OD's back in the early days and loved them as well. You'll find them better.
I highly recommend them.
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Go the Motos. I've tried them (I sail Mach's from 2 and now have the 9's) so am used to race sails. The Motos are just as stable and efficient as the Mach really. They only lose it a bit at the top end maxed in wind, but that's typical given the 3 cam set up. Very lighter than the Machs and EASY to gybe. I had OD's back in the early days and loved them as well. You'll find them better.
I highly recommend them.
Hi
Thanks, that was the answer i needed from a windsurfer that has used the ODs and Motos
Cheers
I've just changed to Motos, 6.4,6.8,7.2 and got a 7.8 and 8.4 coming. I've been on M3&M4 OD's in 7.8 and 8.6 (still got them (M4) at the moment). I've also had M3 & M5 race sails in the 5.5/6.2/7.0 and have got an M8 5.5.
While I can't speak for the 7.8 and 8.4 at this stage, i'm totally stoked with the 6.4/6.8/7.2 moto's. They are light and fast and extremely maneuverable. They are ideal for a free race solution for me.
I was having some problems with my M5 match race sails, lifting me off the water when maxed out, i couldn't put the hammer down as i felt really out of control. They were designed around the Isonic, which tends to be a bit sticky. The M8 5.5 ive got at the moment is a lot better the M5, tends to accelerate flat, rather than lift. I'm 88kg and 58yrs and i'm finding it harder and harder to ride full on slalom gear, as they are getting faster and faster, so it has just the same physicality as 10 yrs ago, just that you are going faster over the chop.
It depends what you are into. I find i can go just as fast point to point with my motos as with my full on slalom gear as the motos are more forgiving and don't punish you if you make a mistake. I haven't tried them in a slalom race, however i would suspect that's hard to bet full on slalom gear (sail and board), as it not about the top end speed so much as the acceleration around the buoys and other racers.
Every now and again, you jump onto a new piece of gear and it exceeds expectations - on the very first run! You know straight away it works, it fits. I haven't had this feeling for a very long time, until i tried the Moto (man i'm sounding like an advertisement)
Its also really well built, the cut and stitching sets it beautifully.
Hi KJ
That's an awesome answer, perfect for my doubts as i am like you, my nearly 57 years old are not helping holding down pure race kit, so i am tending to more freerace.
I have already changed from a Isonic 63 to a Severne Fox 95 and what a difference, so much control, confort and less physical when overpowered that i cand spend more time on water and the speeds are not so far
Thank you very much, you helped me make my mind and get the fear away!!
Cheers
I am same age and same issues. I have a love hate relationship with my Moto 7,8 but just love my 6,4. Largely because I am out in lighter winds with the big one and they love to be a bit powered up compared to the Turbos I use. . I must admit tho they are a joy to use, light, fast, great top end. Less tiring than the 7,0 OD I have, slightly less “locked in”. They seem to take a few more yards to get going but that could be my poor technique, and my comparing them to Turbos which pull like tractors from the start even in low end. Thats the part I miss. But I can rig them a size bigger and not worry about not holding on. Ie rig big.
On the bigger 8,4 Moto you might want to convert to SDM. My 7,8 Moto is at its stiff limit I feel.
My pleasure to share MM, as I'e been struggling with the concept of slalom vs freerace quite a bit over the last few years, not mention spending money in the wrong directions. When you are on slalom gear, you are sailing powered. The bottom end is not better than other sails, just the top end, hence to tend to be using slalom gear in the mid to upper wind range of the sail. What i find with the motos i've got (6.4,6.8,7.2) is that you are still aiming for that mid to upper wind range use, but its in a more lightweight maneuverable package, as im still wanting to pretend that I'm still a slalom racer, even if the body doesn't think so!. A fox 95 and 6.4 moto would be a great combo.
My favorite is the 6.8 moto and a Rocket 115L/69cm, just got that extra bit of magic sauce for some reason.
I haven't got my 7.8 & 8.4 motos yet, so I'm interested in your comments JasonWave about running them on SDM's. I'm currently running 7.8&8.6 M4 OD's, set on SDM masts. I find the 7.8 a bit of an awkward size for me i never really use it that much. I use to have a 8.1 turbo, which was great size, still on a 460 mast, i could drop straight to a 7.0. I find with my 8.6 i can drop to my 7.2 or even 6.8 moto. I'm calculating that the 8.4 moto might be a bit like my old 8.1 in terms of maneuverability and bottom end.
The 8.4 is really maxed out on a 460 mast at 495 luff, you are starting to get a lot of sail area, so i wonder if a 490 SDM would be better? The boom is quite alot long than the other Motos (is jumps 10cm from the 7.8, the other sizes jump about 5cm), so the 8.4 might feel a bit different to the other sizes. Anyone willing to share their experience with their 8.4?
I'll find out once i get my 8.4 moto, as i have a 460 and 490 SDM, plus the 460RDM is use on my 7.2 moto
Please keep us updated on that 8,4 Moto. As my post on general forum says, I am struggling with the idea of getting one on top of my 7,8. Severneshop in UK told me to ride my Turbo 8,1 until it dies then see.
