Hey guys Had a 4 foot dugite up near the house today.By the time a grabbed a long handled rake and shovel it went back into the bushland adjacent.
Does anyone know if there is a snake anti-venom for dugite or tiger-snakes that can be used on dogs in case an emergency. I did some research but was under the impression that you would need to get your fury 4 legged friend to a vet asap. They would administer a drip ( premixed) containing anti venom.
My dog is really quite inquisitive and im afraid that one-day she will get bitten.
Just another quick question..
I have been looking at first aid kits for humans What does everyone have when they go away to leprechaun goats vill and down south when they camp. Some kits (e.g first responder) says they cover for snake bites but when i look at the contents of kit it dosent have any syringes etc .
When purchasing a first aid kit (for human)Does the kit only allow for a temporary bandage of the snake bit area ? or is it an anti venom administered thru injection?
Anyways here is an example of a snake bite kit...http://www.firstaidkitsaustralia.com.au/viewitem.asp?id=524
contents...Snake Bite Kit Contents of 3 x 10cm Heavy Crepe Bandages, 1 x Thermal Survival Blanket, comes in Tough Zip up
Green Bag with Belt Loop. Makes this snake bite kit a must have for at home and away, keep one in every vehicle glove box.
crew down the roads little jackie, bein the dog they are, went a dugite got bit. Dead in 10 minutes. Would pay to live close to a vet Busta
What were you planning on doing with the rake and shovel?
Dumb dogs get bitten by snakes, we breed all the intelligence and self preservation out of them..
Snake antivenom is horrendously expensive. Most snake bites do NOT need antivenom. Antivenom has got significant potential adverse effects, so used only if significant toxic effects in the recipient of the bite.
With good first aid, you have many hours to get to a hospital, so no danger. So proper compression bandaging of the limb is all you need.
By the way - antivenom is NOT COVERED BY THE PBS. If you are bitten DO NOT GO TO A PRIVATE HOSPITAL. YOU WILL BE UP FOR A MASSIVE BILL (Can run into the thousands)
Didn't say you can't die. Most bites are "dry bites" - no venom administered. First aid is important. Go to a hospital, spent 24 hours being observed and getting endless blood tests, then most go home without treatment.
If you are bitten by a taipan - you will be envenomed, spend weeks in hospital, and be lucky to survive. fortunatey rare bites, and not in southern states. Dugites are brown snakes -although potentially nasty, about 70% have no venom administered
The Australian anti-venom handbook:
www.toxinology.com/generic_static_files/cslavh_contents.html
...and the Snakebite Management Flow Chart:
Snake bite anti venom is specific for each breed of snake and can be as dangerous as the venom. The venom can be just as powerful if not more dangerous from an infant snake than the adult and I believe particularly so with brown snakes.
So as far as I am aware, anti venom may only be administered by trained medical professionals.
Some venoms (eg from a red belly black) are more enzymes than poison while other more deadly venoms are neuro-toxic, attacking the central nervous system.
Snake venom spreads through the body via the lymphatic system (muscles??) not the blood stream.
Because of this the standard first aid treatment for snake bite is to calm the patient and keep them still so the spread of the venom is not accelerated.
Most snake bites are to the extremities (arm or leg) in which case the limb should be compression bandaged along it's length and the location of the bite marked on the bandage. Then immediately seek medical attention.
It will all be in Camboge's flow chart. Just a bit hard to read.
Tiger snakes are quite dangerous so if there are some around your area, you would do well to read up on the web site he linked to.
Just working on the fambily rental down the road and seen another one hiding in the brick work (double brick ventilation ) Thats 2 dugites in 2 days.
If you live in a bush area it might pay to take the step of using a aluminum type flywire to block off vents to prevent..
Ill post pics This snake was not scared of us at all .
I didnt realize they are a protected species. If they come close and endanger my pets or family i have no problem cutting of there head.
^^^ Bit hard to be humane when your at a beach shack (long point in the day and wedge) and the things come into your shack barn.
Kids, pets and people running everywhere having a good time.
Fine me all you like. I'd pay $4000 any day of the year to stop a possible snake bite on a little kid or a member of my family.
I thought most people got bitten trying to kill snakes with stuff like a rake or shovel?
I don't remember the specifics but as the others have said, anti-venom is horribly expensive, snake specific, doesn't have a long shelf life, must be kept in a fridge and if you stuff up administering it...
Lived in Aboriginal communities, the Goldfields and Dampier and never once had to kill a snake. in fact it was pretty rare to see one. you can educate your kids not to go near places they might be and also what to do if they see one. I think you are much more likely to get bitten if you try to kill it. they are pretty fast.
no need to kill them. they are an important part of Australian ecology.
And they are protected also. As they should be.
JMHO.
I used to live on a Farm, quite often you'd get a King Brown or the like in the swimming Pool. This was in North Queensland quite a distance from town. Quite a few Taipans and Nasty stuff like that. I'm no snake expert so hard to tell the deadly ones from the really deadly ones. You wouldnt' make hospital most likely. The advice was just to sit down and enjoy your last smoke.
The precedure was like this.
Get shotgun, loaded and held in left hand.
get pool scooper, hold in right hand.
Scoop snake out of pool, if the snake bolted away from the house and into the back paddock he lived. If he chased you down, he didnt......
I remember one quite large in particular actually standing up and coming at me very quickly, you can not run that fast, I was screwed unless I had my self defence device....... Am I a coward?? Maybe, but at least I am still alive.
The important note there was the gun was not used very often, just for emergencies. There were snakes in the pool weekly. Very hot and dry place, no water around.........
Be super careful at this time of year with snakes. Chances are they have not eaten much over winter and are FULL of venom, thus bites in spring/early summer pack a serious punch.
From experience, there are few things more traumatic than having your dog die on your lap while driving at speed to the local vet.
If you do make it, be 110% sure of the snake species so the vet can match the treatment. Take a photo with your phone and bolt.
Get a heap of sump oil and lay a trail around your perimeter.
If you need to kill a snake humanely smear a little tar from a tobacco pipe in it's mouth, virtually instant, then you have a dead snake to take to the hospital to show what bit you
Snakes can be a real problem with dogs. I had one killed in SA. She was running from bush to bush to keep her feet cool. One she chose had a cobra underneath it and she was dead before I could get back to the vehicle.
Her successor, staffie, killed a puff adder in front of my eyes but on another occasion I observed him barking at what I originally thought was a stick but turned out to be a Ringhals, ( spitting cobra). He was obviously aware that the ****er was dangerous.
Another thing that might work is to get some geese. Nothing seems to get past those buggers. My chooks spotted a blue tongue the other day and you would have thought it was the end of the world was on us
Grow some balls. Your attitude does not belong in this country, or this century.. Hope your kids find some real role models..
Thanks for jumping on a public forum and bragging about how you love to kill protected species, really made my day..
Juvenile taipan to older taipan: < are we very poisonous dad?>
Older taipan to juvenile: <yes we are son>
Nipper to dad: <do you mean deadly poisonous dad?>
Dad to son with pride: < yes son we are one of the deadliest kind of snakes in the world>
Son to old snake: < shyt, I am farked I just bit my tongue>
My old fella's got a resident tiger (yellow-belly black) down the back under the woodpile - the serpent hasn't threatened us (as yet) - pharkin' believe me we aint threatening it either , phark the shovel crap , it can stay rent free my old bloke says - besides no mice or rats! ..... dunno what we'd do if the serpent decided to change (besides dumping a load of poo in jockettes spose and jumping like no dog's have ever done before) ...these tigers over here keep biting ya and biting nad biting
^^GW's? Privileged to live alongside them.. At FW point, I'd feed the sharks all day, get covered in mackerel blood and go windsurfing alone until dark smelling like a fishmonger..
If I, and many others can happily live alongside these relatively harmless animals, I don't see how certain people feel the need to kill them in a futile attempt to increase their own safety.. That's why they are cowards..
Give the snakes a fair go.. How hard is it?..
