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45mins - 1hr commute to Sydney CBD, where?

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Created by flanagaj > 9 months ago, 9 Dec 2012
flanagaj
WA, 177 posts
9 Dec 2012 7:08AM
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We are hopefully coming out to Aus late next year and I am starting to look at locations to live. Given I work in finance IT I suspect the work will be Sydney CBD. The criteria we are looking for is as follows

1. 45 - 60min commute time, either car or train to CBD
2. preferably, good wave sailing spots near to home
3. Local horse stables for Wife and Daughter
4. Good schools
5. Reasonable rent

Now I know number 5 is probably out of the question if you want the other 4, but any ideas would be welcomed.

I was thinking of Wollongong?

It would also be great if there was a decent windsurfing fraternity in the area with members who don't have the heads up their arses. I like down to earth folk who have nothing to prove

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
9 Dec 2012 10:30AM
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Nowra ?

Seriously, #3 with the horseys is prob. as much a showstopper as #1. Rules out Dee Why...
Commuting Wollongong-Sydney has got to be dreadful.
#4 is all relative, people usually chose the private system in order to increase chances of having proper school - good schools cost it seems...
#5 is most subjective.

Consider living much nearer to the workplace, and getting out for windsurfing and horsing on weekends, rather than the other way around. Anyways, all the commute to a place like Wollongong would afford you little time for windsurfing on weekdays, or even family...

Oh, forgot: nobody has their heads up their arses round here...

flanagaj
WA, 177 posts
9 Dec 2012 7:40AM
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Unless there are horses nearby I doubt I will get buy in from them to go for the move :-(

dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
9 Dec 2012 7:48AM
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If you are putting the wife and daughter in horse stables just get a 1 bedroom apartment in the city for yourself. Stuff like that is pretty frowned on in Australia though, just givin ya the heads up.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
9 Dec 2012 3:58PM
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The only place I can think of right now is around Terry Hills. There are horsey places around there, its not that far from the northern beaches and is around an hour commute to the Sydney CBD. Not sure of how much the rent is around there. There are decent schools in the area. I doubt rent is reasonable there though.

There is some kind of rule with Sydney real estate.

A property can be affordable, large or convenient but cannot be all three.



Dr Funk
NSW, 348 posts
9 Dec 2012 4:09PM
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Helensburgh.....close to sydney and there are stables down at otford, 2 minutes away.

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
9 Dec 2012 7:52PM
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Mobydisc said...
There is some kind of rule with Sydney real estate.
A property can be affordable, large or convenient but cannot be all three.


90% of the time it's only one out of 3...

adolf
1862 posts
9 Dec 2012 5:00PM
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flanagaj said...

We are hopefully coming out to Aus late next year and I am starting to look at locations to live. Given I work in finance IT I suspect the work will be Sydney CBD. The criteria we are looking for is as follows

1. 45 - 60min commute time, either car or train to CBD
2. preferably, good wave sailing spots near to home
3. Local horse stables for Wife and Daughter
4. Good schools
5. Reasonable rent

Now I know number 5 is probably out of the question if you want the other 4, but any ideas would be welcomed.

I was thinking of Wollongong?

It would also be great if there was a decent windsurfing fraternity in the area with members who don't have the heads up their arses. I like down to earth folk who have nothing to prove



Have you ever seen that Aussie movie called The Castle?

There is a memorable quote that Darryl Kerrigan says repeatedly, that reminds me what you are hoping to achieve.

Ian K
WA, 4170 posts
9 Dec 2012 5:40PM
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adolf said...


Have you ever seen that Aussie movie called The Castle?

There is a memorable quote that Darryl Kerrigan says repeatedly, that reminds me what you are hoping to achieve.


Are you thinking of Bonnie Doon? Would tick many of those boxes, closer to the Melbourne CBD though

Roar
NSW, 471 posts
9 Dec 2012 8:55PM
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Sutherland Shire (kirawee / gymea / miranda / caring bah)

Can sail airport / kurnell / wanda / woolongong or 90 min to geroa.

There are stables (and horse jumpy thingie) on the road into kurnell - often see ppl riding their horses along the beach at kurnell.

Train line run to cronulla.

plenty of schools.

stuk
NSW, 894 posts
9 Dec 2012 9:22PM
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Give up the idea of living in Sydney as its a sh1thole, and go live in one of the million other great areas in the land of Oz.

If you must, a mate of mine has 60 acres at Gosford his daughter and wife have horses, which is only 45min commute to said S/Hole so that area may well suit.

FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
9 Dec 2012 6:34PM
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Roar said...
Sutherland Shire (kirawee / gymea / miranda / caring bah)

Can sail airport / kurnell / wanda / woolongong or 90 min to geroa.

There are stables (and horse jumpy thingie) on the road into kurnell - often see ppl riding their horses along the beach at kurnell.

Train line run to cronulla.

plenty of schools.




I think there are horse stables a bit further down South at Darkes Forest too.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
9 Dec 2012 9:55PM
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flanagaj said...

We are hopefully coming out to Aus late next year and I am starting to look at locations to live. Given I work in finance IT I suspect the work will be Sydney CBD. The criteria we are looking for is as follows

1. 45 - 60min commute time, either car or train to CBD
2. preferably, good wave sailing spots near to home
3. Local horse stables for Wife and Daughter
4. Good schools
5. Reasonable rent

Now I know number 5 is probably out of the question if you want the other 4, but any ideas would be welcomed.

I was thinking of Wollongong?

It would also be great if there was a decent windsurfing fraternity in the area with members who don't have the heads up their arses. I like down to earth folk who have nothing to prove


HA HA HA HA HAAAA HAAA, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, HAAAAAAA, HAAAA, HAAAA, hAAAA.

Wait crap my rips hurting again.... ouch.

HAAA HAAAA haa ha... damn rip.

1.- 45-60min commute is within the CBD. It took me 2hrs to travel 28kms on Saturday evening.
2.- Fair chance, if this is your only req.
3.- $200 an hour.
4.- Wait are you a Lord or an Earl, or a CEO of a large bank? Huge savings?
5.- Closest place with reasonable rent is East Timor... or Christmas Island.

Wollongong is 2.5hrs to Sydney on a good day assuming the train hasn't derailed in Waterfall. All rednecks, no good schools... Neurosurgery wing in the hospital was good, but not the Yank Neurosurgeon .

Job in IT, Finance... good luck.

11 years ago everything you want would be easily attainable.

Horse riding, cheap rent, good schools, short commute, IT job... your dreaming.

My wife's a pom and she recommends you go to Penrith... forget about the beach though, but it does have a wake park.

flanagaj
WA, 177 posts
9 Dec 2012 9:36PM
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Given some of the negative posts, I think I might just give up now. Anyone have a noose I can borrow!

I was looking at rents last night, and was gob smacked that a 3 bed / 2 bathroom place in Wollongong start at around 500/week.

Hamsta
505 posts
9 Dec 2012 10:52PM
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My brother works in Finance/IT and rents in Darlinghurst to be close to the office. Try $625 per week for a 1/2 share in a small but nicely renovated terrace house. He can walk to work in the CBD (45 minutes) but phuck me that is a lot of money spent on rent. I think he has surrendered his car bay at work for extra salary to cover the cost of living close to work and not owning a car. People complain Perth inner city rent is expensive but still behind inner Sydney.

From reading your wish list, I say you will have to weigh up the opportunity cost and most likely increase your commute time.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
10 Dec 2012 2:10AM
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flanagaj said...
Given some of the negative posts, I think I might just give up now. Anyone have a noose I can borrow!

I was looking at rents last night, and was gob smacked that a 3 bed / 2 bathroom place in Wollongong start at around 500/week.

You're looking at it the wrong way, no offense. Too many constraints, some of which are self-imposed.

I've done a fair of bit living abroad on extended contracts, often with family.
The idea behind such a move must not be to sustain the current lifestyle, but to live the experience fully. May as well, no?

This usually means spending more (saving less if you are to work here), in order to take full advantage of the experience. Am much poorer for it, but 1-2 less hours commuting on the average, over xx years, over 7-8 such stints = great stories !

One last bit: if you can't convince the missus of that, then perhaps you want to reconsider.

Good luck.

FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
10 Dec 2012 6:59AM
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flanagaj said...
Given some of the negative posts, I think I might just give up now. Anyone have a noose I can borrow!

I was looking at rents last night, and was gob smacked that a 3 bed / 2 bathroom place in Wollongong start at around 500/week.




Yeah, Sydney is not the most well planned city. They could have infrastructure to get in and out of the city quickly and room to spread out, but that would take considered thought and planning. So far, the only planning there seems to be is to increase the number of people crammed into the same area.

I would love to live somewhere distant from the city where it is cheaper and has larger blocks of land, but the commute times are terrible.

I don't know what it is like now, but I commuted from Wollongong for a short time, and you had to allow longer time incase the train was cancelled. Hopefully it is better now. Of course, once the commute times are reduced, the rents and prices increase...

flanagaj
WA, 177 posts
10 Dec 2012 7:13AM
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I imagine doing the commute on a motorbike would be quicker than using the train?

And I thought my train into London was slow

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
10 Dec 2012 10:19AM
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Australia has turned into an incredibly expensive place to live. An individual needs well over $100 a day to maintain a household. With the medium income probably less than that there are many Australians living in compartive poverty.

Meanwhile the bigwhigs running the electricity companies and so forth vote themselves million dollar payrises because they run the company so profitably, ie at the householders' expense. Same with local councils. They are incredibly profitable as they jack up the fees to even chop down a tree or build a retaining wall. By almost any standard this is verging on rent seeking, extortion and corruption.



dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
10 Dec 2012 8:35AM
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Living in Sydney is more of a survival situation nowadays. You never seem to get ahead. The more money you make the more they increase the costs. Parking cops don't even get out of the car any more, they have cameras and go up the street going bang bang bang. Another $10000 for the council.
Forget the horses, it's no longer the kind of lifestyle that affords luxury like that, unless you are the top end of town.
Yes you can make good money here but it sure as hell costs.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
10 Dec 2012 12:04PM
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flanagaj said...
Given some of the negative posts, I think I might just give up now. Anyone have a noose I can borrow!

I was looking at rents last night, and was gob smacked that a 3 bed / 2 bathroom place in Wollongong start at around 500/week.



**** me that's cheap!

(Wait till he sees the price of a private school)




Unfortunately you can't have your cake and eat it too. IT/Finance will see you a full-time job in Sydney ~$140K for a permanent role, and $250K contracting. At most.

Your shopping list looks like this:

- Close to beach
- Room for horses
- Good school
- Close to work

For all that in Sydney you're looking at the top of the market. What you are describing is ~$2,000/week. (room for horses, lol)

- Reasonable rent.

That does not exist in Sydney, let alone the top of the market.

I see a lot of people on the interwebs dreaming of escaping to Australia, and then realising how expensive it all is. It's sad for everyone, especially those of us that live here. The dream is long over. The only people that even claim to have it all are those that have gone the "sea change" route and moved somewhere remote, and I'm not totally convinced.

Someone mentioned Terry Hills. It's probably going to tick some of the boxes but definitely not all of them. I lived there as a kid. Lots of wildlife.
Probably a $700/week rent and a 90 minute commute to work (Google maps doesn't include *that* traffic) go for it.

http://www.realestate.com.au/rent/with-3-bedrooms-in-terrey+hills%2c+nsw+2084/gallery-1?numBaths=2&maxBeds=any&source=refinements

Alternately try the northern end of the Gold Coast. Plenty of acreages for a horsey. Good but not excellent schools. Much, much cheaper. 60 minute commute to Brisbane with no traffic lights. Not much wave sailing though unless you kite. Better weather too

Cambodge
VIC, 851 posts
10 Dec 2012 12:39PM
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Consider working in Melbourne as an option.

If you live South-West of Melbourne in the country townships outside of Geelong (e.g. Little River/Lara?) you could have 1, 2 and 3 plus a bit of 5 (possibly)...but you may not get much of 4 (possibly).

You could commute North-East to Melbourne during the week and then drive South to Torquay (Point Danger/13th Beach, etc.) at weekends.

Mark _australia
WA, 23706 posts
10 Dec 2012 12:57PM
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I love how Perth is criticised for being boring blah blah by all you easterners

But I can think of a number of suburbs that would have all that and be a 20min commute to CBD (non peak hour), plus have option of world class wavesailing 1hr away, or river and ocean sailing within 20min of home.

I love the boring underdeveloped backwater.

Ian K
WA, 4170 posts
10 Dec 2012 1:06PM
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You want a short commute to work. You might sail 50 days a year but work 250, an IT guy can tell you that your travel time is a minimum when you select a house at a point 5 times the distance from the sailing location as it is from work.

Canberra is your best option. I lived there for 3 decades. Plenty of IT jobs with flexible work hours. Take the day off when a noreaster is forecast and drive 2.5 hours to the coast. The lake is very central for a lunch break blast in a howling westerly or for an easterly after work. I used to work 1 minute from the lake!

You should be able to get a place for $500 a week 15 minutes from work.

Plenty of places you can hire a horse for the day. Some folks own their own horse, but driving out to a nearby paddock with a bale of hay every morning seems to be a bit of a chore.


edit
Yes Mark's got a point, Perth. If you can ride a horse you can ride a camel.

deejay8204
QLD, 557 posts
10 Dec 2012 4:05PM
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flanagaj said...

We are hopefully coming out to Aus late next year and I am starting to look at locations to live. Given I work in finance IT I suspect the work will be Sydney CBD. The criteria we are looking for is as follows

1. 45 - 60min commute time, either car or train to CBD
2. preferably, good wave sailing spots near to home
3. Local horse stables for Wife and Daughter
4. Good schools
5. Reasonable rent

Now I know number 5 is probably out of the question if you want the other 4, but any ideas would be welcomed.

I was thinking of Wollongong?

It would also be great if there was a decent windsurfing fraternity in the area with members who don't have the heads up their arses. I like down to earth folk who have nothing to prove


How about Brisbane? Lots of good public and private schools, good Rent, good sailing spots (Wynnum. Lake Cootharaba, Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast all within 30min-2hr drive from CBD).

You can live within 15mins of Brisbane CBD and still have horses. People have them in there back yard at Nudgee. I live on the Northside of Brisbane and the average commute to the CBD is about 45mins. Lots of new fancy suburbs going up now, so housing isn't an issue.

Work in Finance IT shouldn't be a problem.

Good Luck and have fun with the move.

flanagaj
WA, 177 posts
10 Dec 2012 3:12PM
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Some good alternatives here and I need to get on and research them all. Sydney is mainly being considered because of better employment prospects, but I am totally open to other area. Even though that will result in reduced salary, it is all relative.

There is far more chance of the move working if my Wife and Daughter can continue with their passion for horse riding which they have been doing for years. Given we have 2 horses here in the UK, I cannot expect them to give it all up.

I was quite surprised that IT contract work will pay ~250k. based on that figure a rent of 3-4k / month is doable.

dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
10 Dec 2012 3:56PM
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They have stables in and around centennial park. Which is about 12min from cbd (eastern suburbs)

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
10 Dec 2012 8:26PM
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flanagaj said...
I was quite surprised that IT contract work will pay ~250k. based on that figure a rent of 3-4k / month is doable.


Panda's dreaming... A Togaf Enterprise Architect could command that, or a Certified Solution Architect could have in 2007 and 2010.
Now for a SA you're looking at $120k, or $80/hr.

On the IT theme think of Sydney like this: Sydney used to be a nice server, 32GB RAM, 4 core, etc. Then a retard discovered VMWare, and figured he could just create 4 virtual servers with the same spec., and quadruple the capacity.
So it's an over subscribed wreck.

I worked for a week in London (Canary Warf) this year... took me 1 days to find the job, still have an Ltd over there. Jubilee line worked like clock work.
I so wish it was that easy here.

Sure London is a miserable crap hole in Mordor... but they got functional public transport.

dan berry said...
They have stables in and around centennial park. Which is about 12min from cbd (eastern suburbs)


Read it and weep http://www.centennialparklands.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/63055/CPEC_-_Fees_and_Charges_-_2012-13.pdf

dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
10 Dec 2012 5:54PM
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Well if one must house the ponies one must pay the price.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
10 Dec 2012 9:19PM
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@flan: also if you think Sydney is nice and sunny like you see on live TV, think again...

www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N51W000+2100+03772W
www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=S33E151+2100+94768W

Sydney has >2 x the rainfall of London.

Spain is a 30 pound Ryan Air flight away from LND.

Mark _australia
WA, 23706 posts
10 Dec 2012 6:22PM
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dan berry said...
Well if one must house the ponies one must pay the price.


Classic :)

Ian has a point about camels though, may need them soon with climate change an all



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