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45mins - 1hr commute to Sydney CBD, where?

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Created by flanagaj > 9 months ago, 9 Dec 2012
pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
10 Dec 2012 9:56PM
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FlySurfer said...
flanagaj said...
I was quite surprised that IT contract work will pay ~250k. based on that figure a rent of 3-4k / month is doable.

Panda's dreaming... A Togaf Enterprise Architect could command that, or a Certified Solution Architect could have in 2007 and 2010.
Now for a SA you're looking at $120k, or $80/hr.

On the IT theme think of Sydney like this: Sydney used to be a nice server, 32GB RAM, 4 core, etc. Then a retard discovered VMWare, and figured he could just create 4 virtual servers with the same spec., and quadruple the capacity.
So it's an over subscribed wreck.

I worked for a week in London (Canary Warf) this year... took me 1 days to find the job, still have an Ltd over there. Jubilee line worked like clock work.
I so wish it was that easy here.

LOL the vmware analogy. Not far from it though.
Yes more like $125-150k tops, not that many of the aforementioned $250k.
Anyways for every togaf and arch. position, there are 100 doers (or would-be doers) earning a lot less. Some may not even be able to afford a horse.

The London market was inflated a bit by the olympic boom, will return to normal.
However it's a good example of a place you go to to have a good time and enjoy, not sustain the lifestyle and make money. Had a ball there too.

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
10 Dec 2012 7:23PM
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Fly in fly out an hour north = GC,sun surf just no work

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
10 Dec 2012 10:29PM
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^ Actually that is quite do-able. Especially if you live at the southern end of the gold coast. You have possibly the two best airports to commute via swell; Coollongatta is 5 minutes from you car door to the plane door, and Sydney is 15 minutes by train to the CBD. ~$200 return.

Mark _australia said...
I love how Perth is criticised for being boring blah blah by all you easterners

But I can think of a number of suburbs that would have all that and be a 20min commute to CBD (non peak hour), plus have option of world class wavesailing 1hr away, or river and ocean sailing within 20min of home.

I love the boring underdeveloped backwater.


I'll get there eventually.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
10 Dec 2012 10:46PM
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FlySurfer said...
flanagaj said...
I was quite surprised that IT contract work will pay ~250k. based on that figure a rent of 3-4k / month is doable.


Panda's dreaming... A Togaf Enterprise Architect could command that, or a Certified Solution Architect could have in 2007 and 2010.
Now for a SA you're looking at $120k, or $80/hr.


Bong maths?

$80 * 40 * 50 weeks = $160K. Rule of thumb/top of head is Rate * 200.

Are you talking permanent or contract? I've *slightly* exaggerated standard rates due to the fact that poster said "IT/Finance" which means SAP/Oracle et al; ERP specialist. Although I know of ERP specialists getting both more and less than that, some with flight and/or accommodation included. See link below.

I hear there's no work in Europe, heaps in the US.

There are ~250 working days/year.

You guys should start contracting.
http://www.peoplebank.com.au/knowledge/pdf/si-oct-12/Peoplebank-ITT-Salary-Index-Sydney-October-2012.pdf

P.S. You never saw my juvenile joke in the rewrite of your F1 aerodynamics formula

tmurray
WA, 485 posts
10 Dec 2012 7:49PM
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Mark _australia said...
I love how Perth is criticised for being boring blah blah by all you easterners

But I can think of a number of suburbs that would have all that and be a 20min commute to CBD (non peak hour), plus have option of world class wavesailing 1hr away, or river and ocean sailing within 20min of home.

I love the boring underdeveloped backwater.


Where is this magical place you speak of?
20 minute commute to the city, where you can have horses AND are close to the beach.
The only place I can think of that ticks these boxes is the Claremont show grounds!

FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
10 Dec 2012 8:29PM
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Mark _australia said...
I love how Perth is criticised for being boring blah blah by all you easterners

But I can think of a number of suburbs that would have all that and be a 20min commute to CBD (non peak hour), plus have option of world class wavesailing 1hr away, or river and ocean sailing within 20min of home.

I love the boring underdeveloped backwater.



Well, if I were you, I would stay quiet about it, in case people go there and like it. You wouldn't want Sydney type population numbers would you?

FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
10 Dec 2012 8:31PM
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Ian K said...
You want a short commute to work. You might sail 50 days a year but work 250, an IT guy can tell you that your travel time is a minimum when you select a house at a point 5 times the distance from the sailing location as it is from work.

Canberra is your best option. I lived there for 3 decades. Plenty of IT jobs with flexible work hours. Take the day off when a noreaster is forecast and drive 2.5 hours to the coast. The lake is very central for a lunch break blast in a howling westerly or for an easterly after work. I used to work 1 minute from the lake!

You should be able to get a place for $500 a week 15 minutes from work.

Plenty of places you can hire a horse for the day. Some folks own their own horse, but driving out to a nearby paddock with a bale of hay every morning seems to be a bit of a chore.


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Yes Mark's got a point, Perth. If you can ride a horse you can ride a camel.



Ian, is that really the case? I tried to find work in Canberra for a bit of a change, and found it quiet difficult. Maybe it was my skills, or the time I looked, but it was more difficult than I expected.

Similarly for housing, it sounds like (I haven't actually tried) that the rental market there is tight, and houses are expensive.

FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
10 Dec 2012 8:40PM
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evlPanda said...
FlySurfer said...
flanagaj said...
I was quite surprised that IT contract work will pay ~250k. based on that figure a rent of 3-4k / month is doable.


Panda's dreaming... A Togaf Enterprise Architect could command that, or a Certified Solution Architect could have in 2007 and 2010.
Now for a SA you're looking at $120k, or $80/hr.


Bong maths?

$80 * 40 * 50 weeks = $160K. Rule of thumb/top of head is Rate * 200.

Are you talking permanent or contract? I've *slightly* exaggerated standard rates due to the fact that poster said "IT/Finance" which means SAP/Oracle et al; ERP specialist. Although I know of ERP specialists getting both more and less than that, some with flight and/or accommodation included. See link below.

I hear there's no work in Europe, heaps in the US.

There are ~250 working days/year.

You guys should start contracting.
http://www.peoplebank.com.au/knowledge/pdf/si-oct-12/Peoplebank-ITT-Salary-Index-Sydney-October-2012.pdf





My impression of the market (IT contracting) is that if you are lucky you can get roles that pay good rates, but if you luck out and have to compete with everyone else, the rates are lower than they have been.

To make it worse, if you are not relying on contacts, you have to fight your way through some of the not so ethical recruitment consultants. Sometimes you are lucky to get your CV to be put forward.

I know some guys who are quite average at what they do, but are getting above average rates contracting, and they know they will never get the same rates elsewhere, so they aren't going to leave in a hurry.

That and big blue's tend to offshore things, is tending to take the gloss off IT for me.

Ian K
WA, 4170 posts
11 Dec 2012 4:32AM
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Ian, is that really the case? I tried to find work in Canberra for a bit of a change, and found it quiet difficult. Maybe it was my skills, or the time I looked, but it was more difficult than I expected.

Similarly for housing, it sounds like (I haven't actually tried) that the rental market there is tight, and houses are expensive.




Definitely plenty of IT going on, maybe the turnover is slow. CSIRO alone had 100 - 200 and they had to make exceptions to the pay scales. Scientists' salaries just didn't crack it for IT guys. Houses are definitely about for <$500, get snapped up quickly though.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
11 Dec 2012 9:42AM
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Ian K said...
You want a short commute to work. You might sail 50 days a year but work 250, an IT guy can tell you that your travel time is a minimum when you select a house at a point 5 times the distance from the sailing location as it is from work.


I'm a bit dubious on that formula , And pass-outs are much easier to get when you can say "Going for a quick sail, I'll be back in 2.5 hours". What do you do in winter?

Canberra is very popular with people that live there. They love it. There's no traffic. It has nice trees. It's good if you like starting work at 7am, Soviet architecture and packed lunches. There is nothing awful nor great in Canberra. Perhaps Mooseheads. It's currently 8.30am two weeks before an Australian Christmas and it's 13 degrees in Canberra. It'll probably hit 40 by the end of the week. The water feature has been turned down due to the bacteria spraying over passers by. Mmmmm... Canberra.

Also fireworks are now banned, but I think pot is decriminalised?
For a while there it was the only place in Australia with prostitution, porn, pot and fireworks.



FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
11 Dec 2012 8:14AM
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evlPanda said...
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Ian K said...
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Canberra is very popular with people that live there. They love it. There's no traffic. It has nice trees. It's good if you like starting work at 7am, Soviet architecture and packed lunches. There is nothing awful nor great in Canberra. Perhaps Mooseheads. It's currently 8.30am two weeks before an Australian Christmas and it's 13 degrees in Canberra. It'll probably hit 40 by the end of the week. The water feature has been turned down due to the bacteria spraying over passers by. Mmmmm... Canberra.
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It's not Canberra at fault, its this weather pattern. On the coast in Sydney, its exactly the same, although not quite so cold.

One thing I would love about Canberra is lack of humidity. 40 degrees and no humidity is much better than 27 degress and high humidity.



Hamsta
505 posts
11 Dec 2012 11:00AM
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Mark _australia said...
I love how Perth is criticised for being boring blah blah by all you easterners

But I can think of a number of suburbs that would have all that and be a 20min commute to CBD (non peak hour), plus have option of world class wavesailing 1hr away, or river and ocean sailing within 20min of home.

I love the boring underdeveloped backwater.


True.........but Perth is still 'Perth'.........one of the most expensive large country towns in the developed world with great wind but absolutley ****e surf (in fact I'd actually say Perth doesn't have surf...like Canberra) and is filled with a disproportionate number of alcoholics.

Mark _australia
WA, 23706 posts
11 Dec 2012 6:46PM
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tmurray said...
Mark _australia said...
I love how Perth is criticised for being boring blah blah by all you easterners

But I can think of a number of suburbs that would have all that and be a 20min commute to CBD (non peak hour), plus have option of world class wavesailing 1hr away, or river and ocean sailing within 20min of home.

I love the boring underdeveloped backwater.


Where is this magical place you speak of?
20 minute commute to the city, where you can have horses AND are close to the beach.
The only place I can think of that ticks these boxes is the Claremont show grounds!


I don't think anywhere is close to CBD and you can have horses where you live (ie in your yard) and be on the beach.

However for a short drive to work, a short drive for missus to the horse, and short drive for windsurf, anything within 15mins east or 20mins south of Perth CBD can have you to up to Roe Hwy x Kalamunda Rd or eastern end of Welshpool Rd area for horses pretty quick.

EG: Willetton, Leeming or Bullcreek. Average $500K house, 15min to Freo, 10min to river sailing, 20min to CBD (off peak), 15min on Roe Hwy to horses. 5mins (in peak hour) to get to a train station. Try that in Sydney.

salt
VIC, 617 posts
11 Dec 2012 10:38PM
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Live in Randwick. I grew up inn Paddington (next suburb across). There were horse stables next to centennial park where my sister rode. You can kite surf at Maroubra beach. Dream life.

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
12 Dec 2012 10:46AM
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I've done time in Sydney...

Terry Hills and Ingleside on the North Shore probably ticks the boxes.
1. Scooter / motorbike ride down Forest Way, Wakehurst Parkway (South) into Seaforth, and then you get the use of the Transit Lanes. So it's quite commutable. You could also drive down to Seaforth, and then buses form there... But that would be slower... (this is better than a Woolongong Commute... which would be 1.5hrs++
2. Northern Beaches, Pittwater, and Narrabeen Lakes are all good windsurfing options. Plus Longreef.
3. There is some horse 'action' through this zone... and dedicated horse trails... hore hire... stables... have a look on Google, and Google Maps.
4. Northshore Schools are good.
5. Rent will be half reasonable through there. Lower North Shore and Northern Beaches are more expensive.

Belrose could also be an option... St Ives...
Or Warriewood on the Beaches... Only a short commute to horse activities.

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
12 Dec 2012 10:49AM
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salt said...
Live in Randwick. I grew up inn Paddington (next suburb across). There were horse stables next to centennial park where my sister rode. You can kite surf at Maroubra beach. Dream life.


If those horse riding options are still around... then Randwick & Paddington are well located to city and surf... But it would be Beginner to Intermediate Horse Play at best. But that might tick the box anyway.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
12 Dec 2012 11:26AM
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Randwick, Paddington, St. Ives.
...All affordable suburbs.

Realistically, something like this in Randwick is perhaps a best option.
http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-nsw-randwick-409340343

Note that we looked through a few houses like this earlier this year. They look a lot better in the photos. We decided the kids would be too scared to live in the ones we saw. They feel haunted. Haven't been touched in 50 years most of them.

Prices in Sydney are insane.

Tux
VIC, 3829 posts
12 Dec 2012 11:28AM
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Sydneys a ****hole...nuf said

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
12 Dec 2012 1:29PM
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evlPanda said...
Randwick, Paddington, St. Ives.
...All affordable suburbs != Prices in Sydney are insane.


Lay off the hooch.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
12 Dec 2012 4:39PM
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You're missing a sarcasm chromosome or something.
It's not like I wasn't being sarcastic.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
12 Dec 2012 2:31PM
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Perth is good

flanagaj
WA, 177 posts
12 Dec 2012 8:02PM
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To be honest I am bored sh!tless of IT and am only considering the major cities as a result of that is where the work is.

In a past life I was a furniture maker / kitchen maker, but I doubt whether that will actually help my cause?

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
12 Dec 2012 8:23PM
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Mark _australia said...
I love how Perth is criticised for being boring blah blah by all you easterners

But I can think of a number of suburbs that would have all that and be a 20min commute to CBD (non peak hour), plus have option of world class wavesailing 1hr away, or river and ocean sailing within 20min of home.

I love the boring underdeveloped backwater.



shhhhhhh................

Luther
84 posts
12 Dec 2012 8:54PM
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flanagaj said...

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It would also be great if there was a decent windsurfing fraternity in the area with members who don't have the heads up their arses. .


"bummer" thats probably the toughest of all

bargearse
QLD, 148 posts
12 Dec 2012 11:36PM
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flanagaj said...
To be honest I am bored sh!tless of IT and am only considering the major cities as a result of that is where the work is.

In a past life I was a furniture maker / kitchen maker, but I doubt whether that will actually help my cause?




brisbane you might be able to do...

actiomax
NSW, 1576 posts
13 Dec 2012 8:06AM
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I know you said rent but there is two lots of acreage for sale at frenches forest that i know of 5 acres 2 old weatherboard houses right above kimbricky tip but does have magnifacent ocean views or 7 acreas with mansion which i imagine has ocean views also . you could fit a couple of horses on them mate .I know its starting to get a bit further but dural has plenty of acreage & its not that bad into town from there 40min to airport when lucky

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
13 Dec 2012 8:23AM
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actiomax said...
I know you said rent but there is two lots of acreage for sale at frenches forest that i know of 5 acres 2 old weatherboard houses right above kimbricky tip but does have magnifacent ocean views or 7 acreas with mansion which i imagine has ocean views also . you could fit a couple of horses on them mate .I know its starting to get a bit further but dural has plenty of acreage & its not that bad into town from there 40min to airport when lucky


You'd probably need a million or two to buy land of that size around Frenchs Forest. However if you lived there for a few years and become friendly with some local councillors there is a fair chance you could get your money back plus some after the land is rezoned for you.



evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
13 Dec 2012 11:03AM
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flanagaj said...
To be honest I am bored sh!tless of IT and am only considering the major cities as a result of that is where the work is.

In a past life I was a furniture maker / kitchen maker, but I doubt whether that will actually help my cause?



Here here! I call it "torture money", the "golden handcuffs" or the "pin stripe jail cell".
One day out of five it can be interesting.

In a past life I was a bit of a junky, if "bit of" is possible. It had higher highs and lower lows. Now my life is like Canberra. Damn it, I just realised I forgot to put a cover sheet on that last TPS report. There was a memo.

Have you even started looking at visas?

P.S. I suspect Sydney is a lot larger, geographically speaking, than you imagine. Check it out. It's FN huge.

P.S. If you kite I still reckon northern end of Gold Coast (or Oxford St. in Sydney) as the beaches have light wind. Thousands of kiters out there. Work in Brisbane, room for horses, excellent weather, cheap. Just stay well clear of housing estates on the western side of the highway.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
13 Dec 2012 12:09PM
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flanagaj said...
To be honest I am bored sh!tless of IT and am only considering the major cities as a result of that is where the work is.

In a past life I was a furniture maker / kitchen maker, but I doubt whether that will actually help my cause?



Actually you'd be very surprised. My wife's friend's husband is an Irish farmer (he has cows and he's proud of them), he came over here to help out his brother doing carpentry and he's making a killing. He's clearing over $900 a day and works every day.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
13 Dec 2012 2:25PM
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^ This. Tilers, carpenters ...trades in general (can) earn a killing in Australia.



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