Select to expand quoteAdos said...
Its more about Empire building than any pretence to freedom or threat to our way of life.
you have to remember our very strong link with great Britten in the Early days, god save the queen was our anthem up to the 60s
as for threats go
What do you think the japanese where trying to do in WWII, they would of murdered us all, like every country they invaded. thanks to the so called chocolate solders of Kokoda . absolute fecken hero's in my book.
those men did NOT die in vain if it wasn't for their ultimate sacrifice there would be no australia as we know it.
Select to expand quoteweiry said...Ados said...
Its more about Empire building than any pretence to freedom or threat to our way of life.
you have to remember our very strong link with great Britten in the Early days, god save the queen was our anthem up to the 60s
as for threats go
What do you think the japanese where trying to do in WWII, they would of murdered us all, like every country they invaded. thanks to the so called chocolate solders of Kokoda . absolute fecken hero's in my book.
those men did NOT die in vain if it wasn't for their ultimate sacrifice there would be no australia as we know it.
Great first quote Mark.
Im with you Weiry.
Anzac day is not about celebrating the futility of war that is a given that war is a horrible waste of life. It is also not about the political motives that took us to war. Remeber the soldiers didn't choose to go they were sent by government in reaction to actions that were deemed to be a threat.
It is about remembering the people who made sacrifices . It is about celebrating the country we have and the history and sacrifices of the military and civilians who died, toiled, went without and through enormous meantal pain to help us get here. There deeds made the basis on which the country you live in was based. No doubt.
It is ridiculous that people see this day as a chance to attack war, it just shows that they lack any empathy or idea on how they got here. And is just plain disrespectful to those who have gone before them. I didn't see any people at the dawn service celebrating, was a very somber mood of reflection and thanks.
And I'd like to see some of these opinions put to a digger, he would clean you up, for no other reason than mateship, another trait that our country likes to use to define itself. Also a trait that was built through war.
So put your head down close your eyes and think for a moment. Not about politics or your own views On war but the massive personal sacrifice that these young men and woman made for our country and you tell me your not proud of what they have done, would you have left you're life as a 19 year old to go to war?
At the going down of the sun and in the morning we will remeber them, lest we forget.
Select to expand quoteSP said...weiry said...Ados said...
Its more about Empire building than any pretence to freedom or threat to our way of life.
you have to remember our very strong link with great Britten in the Early days, god save the queen was our anthem up to the 60s
as for threats go
What do you think the japanese where trying to do in WWII, they would of murdered us all, like every country they invaded. thanks to the so called chocolate solders of Kokoda . absolute fecken hero's in my book.
those men did NOT die in vain if it wasn't for their ultimate sacrifice there would be no australia as we know it.
Great first quote Mark.
Im with you Weiry.
Anzac day is not about celebrating the futility of war that is a given that war is a horrible waste of life. It is also not about the political motives that took us to war. Remeber the soldiers didn't choose to go they were sent by government in reaction to actions that were deemed to be a threat.
It is about remembering the people who made sacrifices . It is about celebrating the country we have and the history and sacrifices of the military and civilians who died, toiled, went without and through enormous meantal pain to help us get here. There deeds made the basis on which the country you live in was based. No doubt.
It is ridiculous that people see this day as a chance to attack war, it just shows that they lack any empathy or idea on how they got here. And is just plain disrespectful to those who have gone before them. I didn't see any people at the dawn service celebrating, was a very somber mood of reflection and thanks.
And I'd like to see some of these opinions put to a digger, he would clean you up, for no other reason than mateship, another trait that our country likes to use to define itself. Also a trait that was built through war.
So put your head down close your eyes and think for a moment. Not about politics or your own views On war but the massive personal sacrifice that these young men and woman made for our country and you tell me your not proud of what they have done, would you have left you're life as a 19 year old to go to war?
At the going down of the sun and in the morning we will remeber them, lest we forget.
I guess Anzac day means different things to different people. Despite the 'lest we forget' we are still sending our young men to die in war.
The problem for me though Ados is that I find it very hard to detach the political decisions from the 19 year old, scared ****less, driving through some **** hole town in Iraq. OK the politics aside. That's one point, but the one that doesn't square with your view is that the tone of ANZAC day has changed. Anzac day now is a "celebration", treasured by mawkish "good morning Australia" TV hosts. I puke when I see some glamorous 18 year old outside broadcast host going on about how Gallipoli forged our nation. There's an emptiness about the whole ANZAC thing. It's like part of the ANZAC message is only half there. It's like the mournfulness has been ignored for proudness and the regret has been replaced by bombast. I guess all countries have their own "ANZAC days" and maybe it's that we're a young country, but to me the way some European countries mark their special days seems more heart felt, more soulful,.....just not so sickly sweet.
I can see exactly where Loggy is coming from,
I get cheesed off when celebrities like Kochie and Krudd talk (almost boasting) about they have "done" the Kokoda,
bull$hit!! they went for a walk. OK, it might have been a bit hard- but I didnt see them slogging along in a pair of steel shod leather boots, carrying a pack full of ammo and food- or a rifle.
If Kochie or Krudd got sick or injured, they can whistle up a chopper and be in a hospital in a couple of hours- or less.
No having to worry about when they walk into an ambush (apart from a well scripted camera interview)
Our soldiers were there for the duration (if they survived.)
Wannabe "celebrity" hikers are there for a photo opportunity.
We owe our service personnel, and our allies past and present, a huge debt that we can hardly hope to repay.
At least show them respect without turning it into a ratings or vote catching photo op.
Stephen.
all i know is when i hear the last post being played at the dawn service....i cant stop blubbering. i am filled with pride,thankfulness and sadness
Did you exchange a walk on role in a war for a lead role in a cage. Pink Floyd
Not In Australia our government may be pissweak but our people are united kings park had over 40000 people for dawn service we don't forget how we got here.this is the lucky country
Just watched Gallipoli (doco taped from SBS last week)
The last letter had my wife and I in tears.
Not because poeple died, or the horrors of war etc... just because no one should ever have to contemplate, let alone write such heart rending questions.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
"Only the dead have seen the end of war."
George Santayana
Lest we forget - the humanity.
Lest we forget - the futility.
Lest we forget - the waste.
Lest we forget - ...
