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Ban Jetskis

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Created by adolf > 9 months ago, 25 Feb 2012
adolf
1862 posts
25 Feb 2012 11:11PM
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These bogan toys need to banned from popular beaches. I know a bogan who has one - he's a knob. I reckon only knobs are attracted to them.

Maybe only have registered rescue people on them or people who use them for other highly regulated purposes - ie tow in surfing, fishing, exploring - as long as it's far offshore and not within earshot of other regular beach goers.

www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/jet-ski-victim-unlikely-to-survive-20120225-1tvf8.html

If there is anything good to come out of this tragic event, I'd like to see laws come in that makes tearing up and down our beautiful beaches on these knob machines a thing of the past.

Has anyone got any suggestions on good places to start voicing my strong objections. If I have one legacy it would be to get rid of these things from our beaches. I'd be happy to be the Laurie Levy of Jetskis.

Underoath
QLD, 2434 posts
26 Feb 2012 1:41AM
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Carefull, next it will be dog owners trying to ban kiters...


Oh this is already happening

Let's all ban each other, wrap ourselves in bubble wrap and never leave the house.

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
26 Feb 2012 3:31AM
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They are banned on Sydney Harbour [whole waterways]....I think

theDoctor
NSW, 5786 posts
26 Feb 2012 4:11AM
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Lets ban bans....

Smithy
VIC, 859 posts
26 Feb 2012 9:53AM
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Let's ban people talking about bans so other groups can't use some of our own stupid comments against us...

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
26 Feb 2012 9:56AM
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Totally agree adolf , Those things are a horrible blight on our waterways , and that tragedy was bound to happen . Unless tight controls are put in place more will occur.

As far as where to start ? Registration = vic roads

Police = water police

Waterways = parks Victoria

Legislation = local members

If you can spend some of your valuable time to slow these knobs down and or stick them in designated knob head zones in the middle of no where .

95% of the population will be forever in debt to you .

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
26 Feb 2012 10:28AM
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Agree adolf. What is off shore distance now? It was 200m before you could exceed 5knots.

If its not already 400 or 500 meters off shore, that would be a good start.

One minor problem with this ban concept... If you squish skis out of existence, it will probably just open up a market of micro speed boats or Jet Boats. Sorry to be negative, just throwing in some thoughts....

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
26 Feb 2012 10:40AM
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There would not be a problem if the current set of laws were enforced, when was the last time you saw the water police booking a jetskier vrsus the number of times you have seen a jetskier breaking the law?

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Feb 2012 10:51AM
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GalahOnTheBay said...

There would not be a problem if the current set of laws were enforced, when was the last time you saw the water police booking a jetskier vrsus the number of times you have seen a jetskier breaking the law?


Yesterday at Kyeemagh a jetskier was busted by the water police for speeding out of the Cooks Creek entrance. The jetskiers seemed to be much better behaved than they usually are for the rest of the day, ie not going full speed off the beach, not cutting across your path with meters to spare, staying at least 200 meters off the shore.

Banning is not the answer for issues like this. Enforcement of laws that are designed to stop antisocial and dangerous behaviour is an answer plus making people accountable for their actions.

ok
NSW, 1089 posts
26 Feb 2012 10:59AM
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One person dies so u should ban it? How many people die from drinking to many beers? What about driving?

Adolf pull your head it if everyone lived by the rules the world would be extremely dull

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
26 Feb 2012 11:39AM
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These machines are the equivalent of motocross bikes and dirt bikes . Do we let the riders of those machines tear arse around our public parks and recreational reserves that are frequented buy bulk general public ? Answer.....".no

This bloke was going for a swim , not drinking himself to death . OK , OK

adolf
1862 posts
26 Feb 2012 10:40AM
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ok said...

One person dies so u should ban it? How many people die from drinking to many beers? What about driving?

Adolf pull your head it if everyone lived by the rules the world would be extremely dull


Yep - ban them from popular beaches - already banned in Western Port Bay, why not ban them in Port Philip Bay or set up zones far away from other humans who use our waterways for relaxation.

Sands is on the money. I think now would be a good time to stick the boot into these knobs.

chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
26 Feb 2012 12:56PM
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well i was out flying my plane at work one day. i was flying a couple of hundred people to their destination,when all of a sudden i had some shark flying straight past my windscreen i did save the day and avoid disaster through my talent and being a genetically superior human well when i found out that it was one of those dastardly air swimmers that almost killed 200 people,i immediately call for a worldwide ban on these war type instruments of the sky

wave knave
306 posts
26 Feb 2012 10:56AM
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let the duck hunters take care of them!
[}:)]

superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
26 Feb 2012 3:12PM
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GalahOnTheBay said...

There would not be a problem if the current set of laws were enforced, when was the last time you saw the water police booking a jetskier vrsus the number of times you have seen a jetskier breaking the law?


THIS IS EXACTLY RIGHT



It's ridiculous...
oh, hang on, police is busy setting up speed camera traps...

Was at beach yesterday, and it was incredible how many jet skiers came close to the shore busting full speed

TrevNewman
VIC, 237 posts
26 Feb 2012 3:34PM
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Many jetski riders are idiots, it must be a very boring activity if you need to come close to people to show them your ability to rotate your right wrist. I have seen tossers ride across the bay to get close to a pier where people were fishing just to do a bit of circle work. What sort of lame wanker does that? I don't think they should be banned, just the dumb ones given an old-skool beating until they learn to behave themselves.

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
26 Feb 2012 12:38PM
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wave knave said...

let the duck hunters take care of them!
[}:)]


Gorgo
VIC, 5127 posts
26 Feb 2012 5:05PM
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Cops were out busting a jet skier today. It was kind of cool to see the red and blue lights flashing as they pulled the guy over.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
26 Feb 2012 8:18PM
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Gorgo said...

Cops were out busting a jet skier today. It was kind of cool to see the red and blue lights flashing as they pulled the guy over.


That's what should be going on every day in every location around Vitoria .

Let's employ some of these knob head Pwc users as water police to bust their comrades .

Money well spent !!!!!

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
26 Feb 2012 8:38PM
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SandS said...

Gorgo said...

Cops were out busting a jet skier today. It was kind of cool to see the red and blue lights flashing as they pulled the guy over.


That's what should be going on every day in every location around Vitoria .

Let's employ some of these knob head Pwc users as water police to bust their comrades .

Money well spent !!!!!





Not a bad idea... Under cover Water Police on Ski's. I've heard of Dirt Bike Cops on XR Honda's, though not seen any myself. Imagine how many goons they could nab on a hot day.... Set up a half dozen police on land with specially calibrated futuristic video binoculars to trace speeds and zones, and about 2 stealth black ski's in waiting, in marinas, with radio contact....

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
26 Feb 2012 8:46PM
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Here's my eye witness accounts;

Fisherman's Beach Torquay;
Scenario A - When the swell is up in winter, you will see a few ski's launching or landing, and watch these guys in action, never a problem. Plus being winter, if they are coming into land a little fast, or heading out a fraction fast too early, it's never a problem, because they set themselves a straight line, maintain a straight line, and concentrate on their course....

Scenario B - Fisherman's Beach in Summer, there the additional influx of ski's on the back of shiny wild coloured utes and 4WD's with big chrome rims, and ski's without trailing rescue sleds. They'll be zipping around Point Danger, or Zeally Bay, throwing as much water as they can, doing "pointless circle work", not really caring for where they are going, and perhaps even trying to see if their friends on the beach are watching their "heroics".

That's probably about as much as I want to say, as it is a pulic forum, and I'm fairly easy to track down !! (in real life).

Mr Milk
NSW, 3141 posts
26 Feb 2012 9:35PM
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Maritime services in NSW has only one boat to patrol all Botany Bay, plus Georges River, so policing the fat pigs on PWCs is really just a matter of luck.

Funny thing is how few of them go out on Fridays.......I guess that's when they fire up the Victa and get their suburban heaven shipshape for the weekend

Gorgo
VIC, 5127 posts
26 Feb 2012 10:41PM
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I've seen cops on jet skis before. You could tell them quite easily by the blue cap with the check band.

They had a jet skier pulled over when a boofhead kiter thought it would be a good idea to jump over them. He got a good talking to but was not booked. I was watching it and it was one of those Noooooooooo! moments.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Feb 2012 10:45PM
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Mr Milk said...



Funny thing is how few of them go out on Fridays.......I guess that's when they fire up the Victa and get their suburban heaven shipshape for the weekend


I think a fair number of them are spending the day in divine contemplation and instruction.


surferstu
1011 posts
26 Feb 2012 10:37PM
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its a fine line, we are all in the water together. Government and laws will start in one place (ie snapper rocks and cctv footage and fines) and end up covering lots of places and the main places of australia. I dont like jet skis motorbikes etc, but I would detest laws fines cameras in the ocean.. Its doesnt take much imagination to imagine kiters jetskis surfers all being fined under the current gov regime in this country. Be careful what you wish for

saltiest1
NSW, 2575 posts
27 Feb 2012 10:49AM
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here in west oz the regos on the pwc are way too small to see so they get away with a lot more.

saltiest1
NSW, 2575 posts
27 Feb 2012 10:56AM
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hammer them i say. ive been run over twice while spear fishing with a flag each time. tthen they both had the sense to abuse me for being so far off shore on "their" reef. one even "asked" me loudly where the f my flag was -" um right there 15 or so metres behind me" (20metre line so i could get to the bottom).
both left rather quickly after my gun was brought to the surface.
hopefully they got done after i put them in.

windaddict
VIC, 1121 posts
27 Feb 2012 12:46PM
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Windsurfer GoPro footage of near miss

www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/death-sparks-calls-for-more-jet-ski-restrictions-20120226-1twkp.html

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
27 Feb 2012 12:00PM
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Sadly any sport has di-k heads.

Many Jet skiers do put out a bad rap but so do other sports. Like the kite boarders at Pinnaroo point. I used to slow down for these guys in my boat until one day, what happens when you slow down is they come real close and the shoot left and right with strings everywhere. Well this one day a bloke sailed straight into the side of my boat. He said he was sorry he thought he'd make it, but now i have two 6 tonne of boat, V8 stern drives running with 50 feet of kite string wrapping and going everywhere. So thanks to this tool now i just go full speed with my hand on horn and guess what MOST of turn off before getting too close.

Wind surfers normally all seem to travel one way in a group and back again but kitters are just skitzo..

So should we ban kit surfers?

On Sat a surfer paddled straight out and proceeded to drop in on the next two waves on Bin lidders. Even abused the first guy when he called him off. Next wave he blocked the guy by deliberately hitting him. Neither got the wave. SO do we ban Surfers?

Snorkeling free divers and scuba divers swim out and dive around the Hillary's boat harbour channel and small rocky outcrops. They pop up in front of you when your driving and scare the crap out of you. Do we ban scuba divers and free divers?

Or do we set up rules and just ask they get policed properly

NasiGoreng
VIC, 260 posts
27 Feb 2012 3:09PM
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i heard there were 2 jetskis terrorising a juvenile dolphin in the barwon estuary a couple of years ago.
they had it trapped in the channel and were chasing, circling it and hooning around it for 20 minutes.
the dolphin became distressed and started floating on the surface, on its side and seemed unable to swim, just doing a few random tail splashes and making weird calls.
a crowd of spectators had formed on the side of the river and people were shouting at the skis for them to leave it alone.
but did they f*ck.

I knew of that dolphin pretty well, id swam with it and windsurfed with it quite a bit that summer. he was a cheeky happy thing.

it still makes me rage to this day how two, tw@t city hoons can come down to the coast and completely f*ck up what theyve come down here to see.

i wish i was there at the time. i would have beaten the sh!t out of them at the boat ramp.

adolf
1862 posts
27 Feb 2012 12:26PM
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jbshack said...

Sadly any sport has di-k heads.

Many Jet skiers do put out a bad rap but so do other sports. Like the kite boarders at Pinnaroo point. I used to slow down for these guys in my boat until one day, what happens when you slow down is they come real close and the shoot left and right with strings everywhere. Well this one day a bloke sailed straight into the side of my boat. He said he was sorry he thought he'd make it, but now i have two 6 tonne of boat, V8 stern drives running with 50 feet of kite string wrapping and going everywhere. So thanks to this tool now i just go full speed with my hand on horn and guess what MOST of turn off before getting too close.

Wind surfers normally all seem to travel one way in a group and back again but kitters are just skitzo..

So should we ban kit surfers?

On Sat a surfer paddled straight out and proceeded to drop in on the next two waves on Bin lidders. Even abused the first guy when he called him off. Next wave he blocked the guy by deliberately hitting him. Neither got the wave. SO do we ban Surfers?

Snorkeling free divers and scuba divers swim out and dive around the Hillary's boat harbour channel and small rocky outcrops. They pop up in front of you when your driving and scare the crap out of you. Do we ban scuba divers and free divers?

Or do we set up rules and just ask they get policed properly


I don't think there are many people who would disagree that knobs are attracted to jetskis. Not only do they consistantly flaunt existing rules and cause extreme danger and frustration to other water users, they also create excessive noise polution.

Sure, if they abided by the current rules there wouldn't be much of a problem - we wouldn't notice them or hear them. However, as demonstrated consistantly each Summer - they are unable to - that's why they are knobs.

Port Phillip mayor Rachel Powning said the council received "endless" complaints about jet-skis in Port Phillip Bay, despite its jurisdiction ending at the water's edge, where Parks Victoria takes over.

"Our preference would be for dedicated jet-ski areas. We don't have a preference for the mixed zones, of which there are currently many," Cr Powning said.


Leading Senior Constable Dean Howard said hoons driving jet-skis often put swimmers at risk.

"We see them flying off the beach," he said.

"We have had a couple of incidents when they almost baited police and then raced under the pier where we can't get to them. We are constantly telling people to slow down and we just don't seem to be making an impact on them."


Darren Williams, President of the Australian Jet Sports Boating Association, yesterday described personal water craft as a "big hole'' in licensing.

He said the group was seeking the introduction of skills testing before allowing people to ride them.

"We think it's the most ridiculous thing,'' he said.

"How can you let someone ride this thing with 300 horse power that has demonstrated no ability with it?''

"Can you really allow someone to ride these with no check of ability?''


The easiest way to regulate these knobs IMO is to ban them outright from all popular beaches.



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