Is it just me or has society reached a whole new low!?
Or is it that the parents aren't doing their job?
Or the School isn't strict enough?
Or the children need to be medicated?
Or is it media we should blame for all of this?
Why do I now seem to have more chance getting kids to behave compared to their parents? Why do they not respect their parents????
My scenario (unfortunately true):
Several weeks ago, a student (male) acted very inappropriately towards an object with their body and purposefully gained my attention to gague my reaction. This recieved a suspension.
Two weeks ago I was mooned (over hald his backside a few minutes too) by the same student purposefully as he entered the room and continued to do so while laughing until I reached the boss. NOT SUSPENDED because he is denying it.
So in your opinion, what would you do!? Because I'm furious nothing is happening and what an example this sets for State Education.
Next time get a pic of it... I'm sure he will let you if he is that brazen. Blow up the pic and let the class pin the tail on the donkey or display it via the data projector and let the whole class have a look as well.
Embarrass the hell out of him
Disgusting. Suspension is no punishment to kids who often don't want to be at school, and a principal who takes the kid's word over yours should be shot (especially when he has obviously been in trouble before)
Dunno about there but in WA law parents can still smack a kid and teachers are in the same boat - lawful chastisement of a child.
So if a teacher did it here they would be legally covered - but it is Ed Dept policy that you can't touch a kid. It is the social engineers who have stuffed it by coming up with policies like that.
2000 years of appropriate balance between punishment and reward and things were fine.
20 years of the 'we know better' crowd and look at how things are out of control.
(1) cane the kid
(2) the parents need a heads up too, I bet many of them defend the kid, and even worse do it within earshot so he learns he will get away with it.
Liz, teachers like you having a gutful of it are the only ones that will be able to change this mess ...so tell anyone who will listen
Parents.
I've coached 3 kids sports, and there's nothing to be done.
They're taught to behave, or parents find it amusing that they don't.
I found it impossible to give the same treatment and privileges to all kids, I know it's not their fault (when young), but if they don't start paying the price young, when will they ??
well when i was a little tacker........ this is what happens to the world when do gooders do no good. a out of control society where there are not any consequences to the actions of people behaving badly..... they have their rights and they know it. civil libertarian is a couple of words that make me sick
im old now, cause when i was growing up i was so mental and here i am now saying kids are f......d, but i did cop some floggings...it was fun though
You would be off free as a breeze as you can claim " I felt threatened by his behaviour".
The one thing this generation has in common with all the previous ones is that they all complain about kids these days. I read a story in national geographic about how there were complaints about teenagers when the dead sea scrolls were being deciphered and that was before Jesus was born.
There are great kids, horrible kids and everything in between. Dont take this the wrong way, but if this upsets you so much that your bringing it home from work and you are generalising children as you are, you may be in the wrong profession.
Can only get worse me thinks. 
Simply put: Undisciplined child of the 60's has 2 or 3 undisciplined kids of his/her own in the 80's.
2 of the 3 offspring don't "see the light" and become adults with little respect and discipline. They then have 2 or 3 kids that they pass their attitudes on to and so it progresses through time.
The world is going to be over-run by people who have had little or no "education" in respect for others......
I'm exaggerating but you know what I mean hopefully. And hopefully I'm wrong 
. I've asked Union advice today and will hear from them soon.
there used to be something called control in school
it was also called the cane
you could get
1 ,2,3 4, or 6
6 on each hand
or 6 each hand and 6 across your rear
and more ...
Get a job in another school that requires the parents to pay money to have their child educated.
At least then there are some sort of standards and the teachers are a bit more united (my experience anyway)
I disagree that it was that way in the past, all those excuses.
There were bad kids and bad behaviours in the past I'm sure, but the system had means to deal with them - expulsions, smack on the head, threats thereof, etc.
Not anymore. Notwithstanding the fact that some parents have given up disciplining kids - they just want "to be loved" right? Let them play video games all day...
When me mongrels were in kindergarten, some Walmart-looking cow complained that there were more children than chairs... at musical chairs, and that her kid had lost out. Sure enough the next day it was 10 kids and 11 chairs - you don't want to be sued, right? (Not a joke folks)
A teacher friend was telling me how she informed the parents of a kid that'd behaved badly. The father goes an inch from her face and threatened her with being sued and that she'd regret it for many years if she applied any discipline to his son - and all that in front of the brat.
And so on. That's the new society.
PS: and how's married life treating you, Elizabeth ? 
Its so sad.
Kids need amongst many other things structure boundaries and discipline.
Really parents and the school should be on the same page when it comes to these basics.
I think the reality is that for more and more kids even both parents aren't on the same page.
This one incident (plus my departments issues) is my only complaint (as large as it is I know).
Well Mark - you're right , it could be a marathon thread ..... and to the good posters who mention that it starts at home - absolutely on the dollar there!
....way way too many "14 year-old parents" who obviously think that they are their kids best friends rather than what they are - parents!
looks to me that it is being put on educators to be real parents - feel for elizabethB and her peers.
Stay with it Liz.
Teaching is a very honourable, sometimes difficult, but very satisfying profession. It is something that I don't have the ability to do.
Been married to an exceptional teacher for 34 yrs.
( & I still wear your gath 
)
cheers
Gwendy - I hear you but I don't want to beat the child; Just some meer acceptance of appropriate vs. non-appropriate behaviour would be nice with an honest apology. If he did that to someone else on the street, they'd punch his head in.
) It was an ornament for a long time!
Protocols of the elders of zion
Dismiss it laugh it off as conspiracy
But the west is very quickly becoming a product of it
Our youth is the perfect litmus example
It is little maggots like this that can f..k your career.
You need to be pro-active.
Document the circumstances of your grievence and send it in letter form to the principle, accepting his terms of punishment and that you consider the matter closed.
The maggot may do it again...and again. But as his confidence grows, he will f..k up and allow friends to take a photo, facebook, and/or twitter, or other evidence will appear.
But you document it all the way by way of letters.
As soon as the photo appears so will your letters to the principal.
No dirt on you. Mud covered principle and just deserts for the little f..k!
I am surprised at the response, first and foremost from the principal?
The first question I'd be asking is, why should I waste my time teaching at a school that has the head undermining my motivation to seek some form of support to discipline a unruly student?
I agree with the majority here, there is definitely a shift in respectful actions towards others, but it's also not isolated to just kids either
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It must be stressful trying to educate disrespectful idiotic students.
If punishments are of ill standard which I am sure they definitely are now, given this "new Society belief"
Could you change tact on this?, and if the said student is so eager to disrespect you then disrespect them back ever so subtly and show them up in front of there peers, let them punish through anti social behaviour by making it apparent how much of an idiot this kid is in front of the rest of the class.
Gain control back by being calm, cool and smart about the whole situation without losing sight of above said plan.
Dunno just an idea outside the box maybe?
Goodluck with it.
