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Created by Underoath > 9 months ago, 25 Mar 2013
Underoath
QLD, 2434 posts
26 Mar 2013 3:08PM
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Because you dont know what you're going to get with another 2nd hand car. With a new engine, I thought! I would have a decent car for a while.

But I was wrong, very wrong.

FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
26 Mar 2013 2:41PM
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So, what are you going to do now? Hopefully a decent mechanic can do a head gasket or 2 relatively cheaply.

Back in my youth, we use to change head gaskets without doing much else. Admittedly these were usually on iron headed engines, but even on Gemini's, which had an alloy head, there wasn't too much to it. Sometimes you would get the head machined, but only if you had to.

actiomax
NSW, 1576 posts
26 Mar 2013 9:14PM
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Why would you even consider changing the whole motor for just a head gasket . That's like buying a set of mag wheels & new tryres because you got a flat gasket & head reconditioned would have been cheaper &lasted longer.

Buster fin
WA, 2599 posts
26 Mar 2013 6:37PM
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I agree with a good solid carolla. I picked mine up for nix. Fixed a little problem, good as new, excluding the dents and faded paint. It's not bling, but it works at an ongoing great price.

Mark _australia
WA, 23702 posts
26 Mar 2013 6:41PM
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actiomax said...
Why would you even consider changing the whole motor for just a head gasket . That's like buying a set of mag wheels & new tryres because you got a flat gasket & head reconditioned would have been cheaper &lasted longer.


Bit harsh.

I think he made the right decision - $4500 to do head gaskets on a car valued at $2700 is just dumb.

Buying another car the same - dunno what you're getting.

$2500 for low km's import motor from a front cut - probably the best option. He lucked out for sure, but I think it was the best option at the time.

That said, if it only went for 9,000 there is an issue there and if it had oil and water in it the installer of said low km's engine needs to come to the party I reckon.

Underoath
QLD, 2434 posts
26 Mar 2013 9:21PM
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actiomax said...
Why would you even consider changing the whole motor for just a head gasket . That's like buying a set of mag wheels & new tryres because you got a flat gasket & head reconditioned would have been cheaper &lasted longer.


When you f up your head gasket chances are you have also warped your cylinders. It's not worth repairing a 220k engine.

I'm going to take it to the mechanic tomorrow and see what he has to say.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Mar 2013 10:53PM
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A few years ago I had the head replaced on my 1996 van. All up it cost about $3500 which included a new radiator, harmonic balancer and a few other things on the car. This is on a diesel motor.

Since then its been running fine. So it was money well spent.

With cars I figure you have a few ways to go which generally cost you one way or another. Either buy a new car which will cost you either in interest paid or interest lost plus deprication. You can buy an old bomb that will cost you in repairs. You can buy a fairly new car that will cost you depreciation and possibly repairs. You can buy an older car that may or may not cost repairs.

The best thing to is not to buy a car. I figure all cars being sold today will be completely obsolete in the near future. Hopefully the cars I have now are will be the last ones I ever do.

sn
WA, 2775 posts
26 Mar 2013 8:13PM
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Last time I repaired a warped and corroded cylinder head- I fixed it with 2 x straight edges, a big file, devcon, a sheet of glass and wet and dry sandpaper.

That twin cam FIAT was still making beautiful noises years later.

Sometimes a little backyard bodging can be worth it!

stephen

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
26 Mar 2013 8:16PM
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Mobydisc said...
The best thing to is not to buy a car. I figure all cars being sold today will be completely obsolete in the near future. Hopefully the cars I have now are will be the last ones I ever do.


With our transport system as it is, there is no way cars will be gone within 15-20 years. I think there will be a move away from bigger cars to smaller hybrids (ergh) but theres simply no chance of the majority of australians surviving without cars.





FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
26 Mar 2013 8:21PM
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sn said...
Last time I repaired a warped and corroded cylinder head- I fixed it with 2 x straight edges, a big file, devcon, a sheet of glass and wet and dry sandpaper.

That twin cam FIAT was still making beautiful noises years later.

Sometimes a little backyard bodging can be worth it!

stephen



I think with Falcon 6's they have a setup where they can heat it first to try and straighten it a bit before machining it.

FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
26 Mar 2013 8:25PM
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Underoath said...
actiomax said...
Why would you even consider changing the whole motor for just a head gasket . That's like buying a set of mag wheels & new tryres because you got a flat gasket & head reconditioned would have been cheaper &lasted longer.


When you f up your head gasket chances are you have also warped your cylinders. It's not worth repairing a 220k engine.

I'm going to take it to the mechanic tomorrow and see what he has to say.


Warping the cylinders? I hope you got that terminology wrong or Toyota are doing some funky stuff!

Warping a head I can understand, and is more a problem with alloy heads than iron heads. That's why they machine them flat.

Assuming, that they are using a normal type block, get the heads removed, serviced (including a machine if needed) and replace them with a new head gasket.


Woodo
WA, 792 posts
26 Mar 2013 9:00PM
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I don't know how well you know your mechanic/repairer but just be wary mate. If its something that they have missed or failed to rectify after your first blown head then they might try to cover it up and blame something else so as to get out of any responsibility for any damage caused.
If your in a position to get a second opinion from another repairer I would be doing that first.

I worked for Toyota for 7 years and I reckon I could count on 1 hand the number of blown heads I've seen on V6 Camry's. All of those were due to overheating (obviously) from either coolant leaks, thermo fan issues or blocked radiators.
I'd hardly say its a common fault with this model of car. Run any engine hot and something is going to give. (Lack of oil change doesn't cause overheating, headgaskets to blow or a head to crack either)

You definitely made the right choice by going exchange motor instead of removing heads on an engine that's done 220,000k's that you don't know the history of.
I've fitted heaps of exchange motors and gearboxes from Japan and never had an issue with them. Either your super unlucky or someone has f#cked up.

Hope it all works out for you.

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
27 Mar 2013 12:52AM
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This discussion is no longer worth commenting on as all the "experts" have weighed in without due thought to the original poster's dilemma.

What he needs apparently is a cheap and reliable motor vehicle.

Who gives a rat's?

It is only an internet forum. But no doubt one of the best there is.

youngbull
QLD, 826 posts
27 Mar 2013 1:04AM
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And Cisco just hit the nail on the head, minus the rats arse.

Have to add my 2 cents.
Fix the head, you got ripped off. No need to thank me I also know everything about everything

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
27 Mar 2013 5:42AM
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I don't believe in rebuilding engines, too many moving parts and far to easy for some idiot to screw it up, this is from my experience.
I wouldn't pull the head, not only can it be warped or cracked but there can easily be tiny cracks that are only visible with magnafluxing.
Just bad luck the engines didn't last.
At this point you cannot afford a 3rd engine failure.
Time for a new car on payments with a long warranty.
New cars are much better made.
Do you want to be working on old cars forever or do you want to have a life?

myusernam
QLD, 6160 posts
27 Mar 2013 8:33AM
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what about waranty form the car dealer you bought it from (for the first engine)

and now the Jap engine.

everything u buy should have 12 months warranty?

FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
27 Mar 2013 7:53AM
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Beaglebuddy said...
I don't believe in rebuilding engines, too many moving parts and far to easy for some idiot to screw it up, this is from my experience.
I wouldn't pull the head, not only can it be warped or cracked but there can easily be tiny cracks that are only visible with magnafluxing.
Just bad luck the engines didn't last.
At this point you cannot afford a 3rd engine failure.
Time for a new car on payments with a long warranty.
New cars are much better made.
Do you want to be working on old cars forever or do you want to have a life?


Beaglebuddy, cars over here are a bit more expensive than where you are I think. I have only bought one new car and was very disappointed with it, because it was expensive to have serviced, and once the 'newness' wore off, it was just the same as an older car.

There seems to be a sweet spot over here where you can get a car a few years old that has been serviced well, and because of its age and service history you are unlikely to get many faults, and any major ones have been found and fixed by the original owner.



Rex
WA, 949 posts
27 Mar 2013 8:40AM
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myusernam said...


everything u buy should have 12 months warranty?


I doubt anyone would be silly enough to offer 12 months warranty on a used jap engine.

sn
WA, 2775 posts
27 Mar 2013 8:53AM
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Rex said...I doubt anyone would be silly enough to offer 12 months warranty on a used jap engine.


within the last month or so, a seabreezer put up a link to a government department document regarding statutory warranties- it said goods supplied must be fit for purpose- and give good service life.

anyone know where to find it.

dropping a copy of this document on the mechanics desk would probably give the engine supplier a coronary.

stephen

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
27 Mar 2013 11:39AM
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FormulaNova said...
Beaglebuddy said...
I don't believe in rebuilding engines, too many moving parts and far to easy for some idiot to screw it up, this is from my experience.
I wouldn't pull the head, not only can it be warped or cracked but there can easily be tiny cracks that are only visible with magnafluxing.
Just bad luck the engines didn't last.
At this point you cannot afford a 3rd engine failure.
Time for a new car on payments with a long warranty.
New cars are much better made.
Do you want to be working on old cars forever or do you want to have a life?


Beaglebuddy, cars over here are a bit more expensive than where you are I think. I have only bought one new car and was very disappointed with it, because it was expensive to have serviced, and once the 'newness' wore off, it was just the same as an older car.

There seems to be a sweet spot over here where you can get a car a few years old that has been serviced well, and because of its age and service history you are unlikely to get many faults, and any major ones have been found and fixed by the original owner.






Yes a car a few years old can be a good deal but this car is a 96'?
I used to drive old work trucks but found myself forever changing alternators, starters, water pumps, radiators, fuel pumps, transmissions, engines etc... finally gave in and bought new and it was the best decision I ever made.
My last GMC truck I bought in 2001 and really I have not had to do anything not covered under warranty except change the crank position sensor.
Just think in terms of monthly costs to own.
It is an undeniable fact that newer vehicles are now much more reliable.

actiomax
NSW, 1576 posts
27 Mar 2013 8:15PM
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I used to work as engine reco if they get $4500 for head Im moving to wa

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
27 Mar 2013 5:33PM
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actiomax said...
I used to work as engine reco if they get $4500 for head Im moving to wa


Its all like that over here

Depends on what type of car as well but $3500 - $4500 is about the going rate for head replacement.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
27 Mar 2013 7:43PM
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FormulaNova said...
There seems to be a sweet spot over here where you can get a car a few years old that has been serviced well, and because of its age and service history you are unlikely to get many faults, and any major ones have been found and fixed by the original owner.



Nail. Head. Hit.

3-7 years old is perfect.

Buy new, drive out of showroom, 1/4 of your money gone in the blink of an eye. For what? The airborne release of nasty chemicals they call 'new car smell' ?

On the other end a mechanic once told me "cars only have a value for 13 years. Once they are 13 years old they are technically valued at zero. There's a reason for that"

Buster fin
WA, 2599 posts
27 Mar 2013 5:55PM
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kiteboy dave said...


On the other end a mechanic once told me "cars only have a value for 13 years. Once they are 13 years old they are technically valued at zero. There's a reason for that"



In a monetary sense, I concur, yet my seemingly POS Carolla is immensely valuable to me and mine in a practical sense.

FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
27 Mar 2013 8:47PM
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actiomax said...
I used to work as engine reco if they get $4500 for head Im moving to wa


Me too! Its not a terribly difficult job either. Fiddly sometimes, but not difficult.

Then again, I guess the labour to remove and fit an engine can be expensive. I did an engine swap, and the local garage quoted $1600 to remove the old one and install the new. I decided to do it myself in the end, as I figured they would probably be asking questions anyway, and possibly upping the quote.



paulford
WA, 312 posts
27 Mar 2013 8:53PM
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doggie said...
actiomax said...
I used to work as engine reco if they get $4500 for head Im moving to wa


Its all like that over here

Depends on what type of car as well but $3500 - $4500 is about the going rate for head replacement.


My hands are dirty with two at the moment. Nissan pulsar and Ford Transit twin cam chain motors. Boss tells me big figures due to the Ford head is scrap and the Nissan. Throw new rads and cooling system overhaul into the math and its not a cheap Easter for either owner.



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