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Gillard's New $40,000,000 Hole.

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Created by cisco > 9 months ago, 30 Jul 2010
cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
31 Jul 2010 12:44AM
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How dumb is this bitch?? She reckons if your motor vehicle is pre 1995, it is a "Klunker"!!!! and has to be taken off the road.

She has a fixation on the number 2.

She says there are 200,000 cars that need to be taken off the road at a cost of $2,000 each and that will reduce our carbon emissions by 200 or 2000 or 2 something tons per annum.

This is obviously some figure she has plucked out of the air in her menopausal head.

So if she gets in the taxpayer, (you and me) is going to buy the worst 200,000 cars in the country for $2,000 a piece.

$40,000,000?? What is that?? Oh it is only 40% of what we borrow weekly, or is it daily. Just a triffle in comparison with the big picture.

Labor!! If you have got nothing, they will give you everything. If you have got something they will take it from you.

Labor will ensure you labour till the day you die!!!

busterwa
3782 posts
31 Jul 2010 2:26AM
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low/no vision
www.aec.gov.au/election/bvi.htm

FormulaNova
WA, 15111 posts
31 Jul 2010 6:08AM
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Cisco, you need to get over the fact the PM is a woman. Apart from that, do you think she solely is the one that makes these decisions and not the rest of the party?

Anyhow, despite your rant, someone in the media pointed out that the people in a position to buy a Prius or similar car very rarely have a car that's that old.

It's politics, every party gets the chance to make policy announcements that are either crazy or just unbelievable in the bid to win a vote. Welcome.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
31 Jul 2010 8:37AM
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Its not as though a gun is put to your head and you are told to get rid of your old car. What is of more concern is the likelyhood that rego is going to be more expensive for older cars because they apparently have higher greenhouse gas emissions.

No one seems to discuss the amount of greenhouse gas emitted in the manufacture of the new cars. Surely its more inline with developing a sustainable system we should keep older cars running in good order than buying a new car every three years.

nick0
NSW, 510 posts
31 Jul 2010 8:50AM
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i likes the school heaters proposal .. 51,00 heaters to replace so they trhrow 450million at the problem .. works out at 9grand perheater .. give me the nine grand and ill install it thanks

shear tip
NSW, 1125 posts
31 Jul 2010 9:42AM
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nick0 said...

i likes the school heaters proposal .. 51,00 heaters to replace so they trhrow 450million at the problem .. works out at 9grand perheater .. give me the nine grand and ill install it thanks


That's state Labor. You'll have to wait until next year to have your say unfortunately.

j murray
SA, 947 posts
31 Jul 2010 10:03AM
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Mobydisc, what greenhouse gas do we make by producing cars here ???

Do we still do that , or are all the gasses produced, are by overseas producers,

With the coal we sell them. I would vote for leaving the coal in the ground

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
31 Jul 2010 8:58AM
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Mobydisc said...

Its not as though a gun is put to your head and you are told to get rid of your old car. What is of more concern is the likelyhood that rego is going to be more expensive for older cars because they apparently have higher greenhouse gas emissions.

No one seems to discuss the amount of greenhouse gas emitted in the manufacture of the new cars. Surely its more inline with developing a sustainable system we should keep older cars running in good order than buying a new car every three years.


Its like that in many other countries, cisco is just pissed cos he will have to get rid of his XD Falcon thats all oh and he hates rangas

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
31 Jul 2010 11:54AM
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Slightly off topic - I watched a training vid of a new commode (VE) crash test @100km/h this week...the front completely crumpled but not a piece of glass broke and the passenger compartment was basically unaffected apart from the doors jamming. Secondly was a 20yr old car & it was obliterated - no chance of survival for the passengers.

I'm pretty sure the emissions of manufacturing a new car would be higher than that produced by the every day running of an older car...it would make more sense for her to aim the legislation at the safety side of things.

Dawn Patrol
WA, 1991 posts
31 Jul 2010 10:30AM
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An old car is way more environmentally friendly to run it into the ground, than it is to keep getting newer cars.
And most of the people who would sell their car for 2k, are probably not in a position to buy a new car to replace it.
But, could i buy, say 50, $1000 cars now and then if this comes into play, sell them all for $2000 to the government?

japie
NSW, 7146 posts
31 Jul 2010 12:31PM
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The title of this topic is entirely misleading

cwamit
WA, 1194 posts
31 Jul 2010 10:46AM
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japie said...

The title of this topic is entirely misleading


Yeah I thought it was about vaginal reconstructions , how could I have got it so wrong , oh yeah because she sounds like a man

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
31 Jul 2010 12:50PM
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It is an XE as in XEllent with the Australian Design Award for the Watts Link Rear Suspension which has been incorporated in the build rules for the V8 Super Cars.

It is a Fairmont too if you don't mind.

There have been no significant improvements in automobile design since 1984 and mostly, the longevtiy of motor vehicles has gone down since then. Many later model vehicles are not even repairable.

The piston engine was the first I.C.E. invented and as such the technology is 150 years old. Why would you put a computer on top of it??

For those that believe the myth of global warming/climate change is fact, a comparison should be made of the "carbon footprint" resulting from the manufacture of new motor vehicles at the frenetic rate it is today, with the "carbon footprint" that would result from repowering existing vehicles with truly environmentally friendly technology.

The oil companies would never allow it but that is what should be happening.

Further, if the authorities were serious about pollution and road safety, they would ban the production of these ridiculously powerful "hot rods" that are so prevalent today. Off road intended four wheel drive vehicles should be banned from use on sealed roads too.

Those concepts are going to get some people "squawking".

Talking of squawking, I had no doubts that the mere mention of the P.M. being a bitch would bring out accusations of sexism from the political correcties and R.Ts. Reel 'em in spinner.

Oh!!! and rangas!!! I love them. Only ever had the good fortune to bed one of them but got close with a couple of others. My favourite celebrity one is Ann Margaret.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
31 Jul 2010 11:14AM
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cisco said...

It is an XE as in XEllent It is a Fairmont too if you don't mind.

Talking of squawking, I had no doubts that the mere mention of the P.M. being a bitch would bring out accusations of sexism from the political correcties and R.Ts. Reel 'em in spinner.

Oh!!! and rangas!!! I love them. Only ever had the good fortune to bed one of them but got close with a couple of others. My favourite celebrity one is Ann Margaret.


Oh cisco you are soooo funny

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
31 Jul 2010 1:17PM
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Sailhack and Dawn Patrol seem to be on the right track but japie and cwamit have dirty minds.

Re:- "But, could i buy, say 50, $1000 cars now and then if this comes into play, sell them all for $2000 to the government?"

I think you could buy 1,000 of them for $50. Better numbers there.

We can't blame it all on the ranga though. It is typical Labor. Ill conceived band aid policies done on the run, blow the dough. There are still plenty of milkers out there.

But the real bogey man in the bushes is Hill Billy Bob Brown. If he gets the balance of power you can forget about any sort of prosperity for the next decade.

Pugwash
WA, 7733 posts
31 Jul 2010 11:49AM
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200 000 x 2 000 = 400 000 000

This is FOUR days of borrowing under labor.

Sustainable Don't worry... It is only 6% of GDP. Just bang it on the credit card... She'll be right.

stanhalen
WA, 187 posts
31 Jul 2010 12:45PM
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You watched cash for clunkers in america, sad but again no ones putting any gun to anyones head overthere either. Mate if you happy driving your piece of crap, good luck to you. I owned a worked xe s pack lsd, and it was a fast comfortable car 15 years ago, classic, I doubt it.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
31 Jul 2010 3:22PM
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it's an OK idea if they buy < 1600cc Australian made cars.

And Cisco u really screwed up on the title it's missing a 0.

Oh and this is hardly original... the US/Japan/most of Europe have done it > once.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
31 Jul 2010 5:46PM
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FlySurfer said...

it's an OK idea if they buy < 1600cc Australian made cars.

And Cisco u really screwed up on the title it's missing a 0.

Oh and this is hardly original... the US/Japan/most of Europe have done it > once.


Its not original. Clearly the main reason why overseas countries run such schemes or have financial disincentives to keep an older car is to support their automotive industry. As the Australian car industry only makes big cars, with only Toyota making a hybrid Camry, this scheme will only promote the sale of imported cars which does little to help the Australian economy.

I think it would be better if the rebate was available if you bought an Australian built car that runs on LPG. Doing this would encourage the companies making cars in Australia to run on a fuel that Australia has heaps of. We could reduce the need to sell LPG to the Chinese for 1 cent a litre and sell it here for more. We wouldn't have to import as much petrol, which Australia imports a fair bit of and it would get more jobs in Australia.

With the amount of greenhouse gasses created by manufacturing a new car, it must be a fair bit. All the raw materials collected then refine, processed, shaped, moulded, heated and screwed together. Then the car sent across the world. It should be environmentally friendlier to keep the old car going. In regards to safety, yes new cars are safer but if you have a head on with a semi, a thousand star rating isn't going to help you.



Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
31 Jul 2010 4:40PM
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So , my car is a 95 landcruiser, I just rebuilt it , threw out the petrol motor (only 20-25ltrs per 100 kms ) put a diesel v8 in, now is down to 12.5 per 100.
everything from the wheels up is new ( oh except the body, smick!), only cost $25,000, drives better than new .
That pointy nosed , fat arsed, supposedly female,ugly redhead wants to give me $2000 for it , she and her labour mates can go suck seagull sh#t , for all I care.
If labour stays in we will need more that a gold credit card and long handled shovel to dig Australia out of the debt that will be created with pathetic ideas like this

japie
NSW, 7146 posts
31 Jul 2010 8:45PM
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cisco said...

It is an XE as in XEllent with the Australian Design Award for the Watts Link Rear Suspension which has been incorporated in the build rules for the V8 Super Cars.

It is a Fairmont too if you don't mind.

There have been no significant improvements in automobile design since 1984 and mostly, the longevtiy of motor vehicles has gone down since then. Many later model vehicles are not even repairable.

The piston engine was the first I.C.E. invented and as such the technology is 150 years old. Why would you put a computer on top of it??

For those that believe the myth of global warming/climate change is fact, a comparison should be made of the "carbon footprint" resulting from the manufacture of new motor vehicles at the frenetic rate it is today, with the "carbon footprint" that would result from repowering existing vehicles with truly environmentally friendly technology.

The oil companies would never allow it but that is what should be happening.

Further, if the authorities were serious about pollution and road safety, they would ban the production of these ridiculously powerful "hot rods" that are so prevalent today. Off road intended four wheel drive vehicles should be banned from use on sealed roads too.

Those concepts are going to get some people "squawking".

Talking of squawking, I had no doubts that the mere mention of the P.M. being a bitch would bring out accusations of sexism from the political correcties and R.Ts. Reel 'em in spinner.

Oh!!! and rangas!!! I love them. Only ever had the good fortune to bed one of them but got close with a couple of others. My favourite celebrity one is Ann Margaret.


I have been following developments on the Venus project. Jacques Fresco is a 94 year old social designer who has an answer for our current predicament. For those who do not know him he advocates the transition to a resource based society where the globes resources are recognised as being the inheritance of all the worlds people.

He describes society when we become civilised. The first interview on this link is quite compelling.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/get-involved/video-library

j murray
SA, 947 posts
1 Aug 2010 10:52AM
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2,000....that's a great deal for the old banger, it would just about buy a

reasonable pushbike. So we all graduate to tredley's , asia /china/india/

korea producer many millions of new clunkers that choke the roads to gridlock.

That solves our emission problems and makes us fitter. Chokes to death

many from the third world. Master conspiracy here !!! [}:)] It could

make the world a better place maybe.

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
1 Aug 2010 11:50AM
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FlySurfer said...

it's an OK idea if they buy < 1600cc Australian made cars.

I don't think any of those beasts exist.

And Cisco u really screwed up on the title it's missing a 0.

Sorry, that was just my Labor alter ego coming out. ie "We missed a zero did we. Oh well it is nothing really."

Oh and this is hardly original... the US/Japan/most of Europe have done it > once.


cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
1 Aug 2010 12:10PM
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japie said...

I have been following developments on the Venus project. Jacques Fresco is a 94 year old social designer who has an answer for our current predicament. For those who do not know him he advocates the transition to a resource based society where the globes resources are recognised as being the inheritance of all the worlds people.

He describes society when we become civilised. The first interview on this link is quite compelling.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/get-involved/video-library


If those ideas were turned into reality I do believe the world would be a whole lot better place.

Not only are the physical resources of the globe the inheritance of ALL the worlds people, the intellectual resources of the globe are too.

Locking up new ideas and technology by use of patents and copyright is entirely motivated by greed.

Putting these ideas into reality would require, for want of a better term, a New World Order.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
1 Aug 2010 2:38PM
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Mobydisc said...
Its not original. Clearly the main reason why overseas countries run such schemes or have financial disincentives to keep an older car is to support their automotive industry. As the Australian car industry only makes big cars, with only Toyota making a hybrid Camry, this scheme will only promote the sale of imported cars which does little to help the Australian economy.

I think it would be better if the rebate was available if you bought an Australian built car that runs on LPG. Doing this would encourage the companies making cars in Australia to run on a fuel that Australia has heaps of. We could reduce the need to sell LPG to the Chinese for 1 cent a litre and sell it here for more. We wouldn't have to import as much petrol, which Australia imports a fair bit of and it would get more jobs in Australia.


Do you see guys? 5 minutes think time in a kitesurfing/windsurfing forum and we come up with better ideas... do we really need the parasites?

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
1 Aug 2010 6:54PM
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FlySurfer said...

Mobydisc said...
Its not original. Clearly the main reason why overseas countries run such schemes or have financial disincentives to keep an older car is to support their automotive industry. As the Australian car industry only makes big cars, with only Toyota making a hybrid Camry, this scheme will only promote the sale of imported cars which does little to help the Australian economy.

I think it would be better if the rebate was available if you bought an Australian built car that runs on LPG. Doing this would encourage the companies making cars in Australia to run on a fuel that Australia has heaps of. We could reduce the need to sell LPG to the Chinese for 1 cent a litre and sell it here for more. We wouldn't have to import as much petrol, which Australia imports a fair bit of and it would get more jobs in Australia.


Do you see guys? 5 minutes think time in a kitesurfing/windsurfing forum and we come up with better ideas... do we really need the parasites?


We know we dont need the parasites. But who here would we vote for for head honcho?
New topic maybe , any takers?

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
2 Aug 2010 4:29PM
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It is less about the state of most cars and more about the state of the driver's skillz. Spend the $$ on re-testing all drivers every 10 yrs.

And get over that the PM is a sheila. No-one seemed to mind when we had a Gollam for a decade so whassprob?

FormulaNova
WA, 15111 posts
2 Aug 2010 7:00PM
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getfunky said...

It is less about the state of most cars and more about the state of the driver's skillz. Spend the $$ on re-testing all drivers every 10 yrs.

And get over that the PM is a sheila. No-one seemed to mind when we had a Gollam for a decade so whassprob?


Thanks for making me look up what a Gollam is

A decade? Going by the image I saw when I did a search, we've always had one of those as prime minister.

Just as an aside, that sounds great. "Australia now has it's first sheila PM"...

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
2 Aug 2010 10:42PM
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Is that the old gillard or the new real gillard that is going to do this ?or was this just a adviser,s idea that the real juilia wont go along with now ?
How stupid does this crafty cow think the bulk of the voter.s are.
Little johnny was a dream compared to this back stabbing red rattler.
and theres no way shes getting my 92mod **** banger for a depsit on a 30000 bucket of bolts.

busterwa
3782 posts
2 Aug 2010 9:12PM
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upwind
QLD, 166 posts
3 Aug 2010 8:57AM
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We know we dont need the parasites. But who here would we vote for for head honcho?
New topic maybe , any takers?

That virgin bloke Branson, or Dick Smith???



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