Give 800 take 4000

Not a bad idea to stop the illegal to come, send the queue jumpers back to the end of the queue and take the real refugees in lieu. Sounds fair to me and no need to detain anybody, Ranga had a brain snap?????

It is a good idea, send the queue jumpers to the back of the queue.

But then it is only a one-off apparently so why not do it for good?

The pessimist in me says it is just to minimise the holdings of refugees in detention during CHOGM as they have identified them as a riot risk when CHOGM is on.

Let them riot I say, I hope they destroy their accomadation and the Gov dont build new ones.

One back flip left to do... re-introduce temporary protection visas.

Once they've done that one, their triple back flips on boaties should be on par with Boujmaa's triple forward attempt!

Boujmaa is NUTS...

The whole asylum detention policy was botched when Gillard announced East Timor would take them and the East Timorese government said no. They said no coz many East Timorese would get jealous if they saw asylum seekers in good accomodation with good food and entertainment while the East Timorese suffer absolute poverty.

The ALP could not take Mannus Island as they criticised the coalition for using it.

So yeah its policy on the run. How will it work? We send one refugee and then accept five in return or after the initial run of five to one it will then be a one to one exchange.

If thats the case its not a bad policy. Plus Malaysia needs the money as they are running out of oil and many Malays have gotten used to not working very hard.

Dinsdale I don't think Malaysia will be "vetting" them - all they will be doing is sending ones that have been sitting in refugee camps (patiently) and we will send back the queue jumpers.

Australia will surely still apply our immigration dept's checks to who comes from Malaysia.


Agree with your last line though...

I hope you're right, but I doubt it. This is our simpering socialist gummint's way of absolving itself of that responsibility. There is tacit evidence that Malaysia, along with Indonesia, is complicit in sending them here in the first place. I assume that you know that there are no travel restrictions for muslims between muslim nations. They get all the way through to Indonesia without restriction. (India is no problem for them). I'm afraid I see no good what-so-ever coming out of this.

The policy will not stop the illegals, its aimed at asylum seekers. The illegals are all down at Bondi Backpackers.

This reminds me of hamsters I had as pets. They were nocturnal and would run on a wheel for hours at a time. If you jammed the wheel up they would die within a few weeks.

Round and round!

As long as there are refugees the problem will be there to distract you from the realities.

Have a look and see where they are coming from, do a little research and you find out that nearly all of the countries are kept in a state of poverty at the behest of the corporatocracy so they can get their hands on their resources for nix.

Poverty breeds discontent, people flee and they want to come here. When they do it serves a double purpose in that it keeps seemingly intelligent people from looking at the root cause.

Wake up folks!

And when they eventually become "assimilated" here they serve further purpose by the errosion of traditional values, although it is arguable whether many of those are worth hanging on to. This provides yet another obfuscation to detract people from looking at reality.

And all the time the people who benefit from this whole charade sit back and laugh as we fight among one another.

The Australian govenment is complicit in support of Mugabe's use of slave labour on diamond diggings. They cannot say anything for fear of retribution against Rio Tinto.

Tell me something? How much do you think they would be paying a stable civilised government in Zimbabwe for its copper? My guess is a sight more than they do now.

And then we all have a little grizzle when the refugees get here.

**** me if you feel that strongly about them why don't you organise to sink a few boats. We may as well bring the barbarity closer to shore, perhaps we might wake a few up!

Hmmmm. Neither of you know much about Islam then, do you.

The big problem is this.

Muslim clerics and leaders can promote the most barbaric atrocities against humanity and then hide behind the islamic faith to avoid being bought to justice. It's sort of like a "get out of jail free" card.
For example just recently, strapping explosives onto 12 year old children and sending them off as human bombs to blow themselves up amongst random targets who in all likelihood had no part in whatever the conflict was.
They are recruited in islamic schools, taught by islamic teachers, indoctrinated to think that they will be rewarded according to islamic scriptures with more virgins than they are ever likely to get in this life, etc etc.
In most cases the clerics don't take a direct role in the atrocity. They just promote the principle of it and how it is completely in accordance with god's will as revealed to them by islamic scriptures and how they will be rewarded greatly in heaven, according to their interpretation of islamic writings.

They leave it up to their gullible underlings to arrange the final act and then stand back and say it wasn't their doings.

The fault is entirely with the islamic clerics who teach and promote this rubbish.
And yet they are untouchable by the governing authorities because if they take action against them they are immediately branded as un-islamic and therefore, enemies of islam.
If you are branded as un-islamic in a muslim country you have little hope of maintaining your power and place in the government.

So the system makes a pretence of reprimanding the vipers who promote such things while at the same time making sure they don't do anything to upset their muslim constituents.
For the most part, this makes any action against them completely ineffectual.

Ireland, IRA, Catholic

A lot of the Iraq war crimes were committed by the mercenary corporation, Blackwater. The founder is an evanjellical christain. MAybe one thing the commies got right, no religion.

Firstly (and an extremely brief synopsis), the oil riches were there before the bombs. Then the "colonial" powers moved in and began to rape the resources, as you suggest. However, for the most part that changed many years ago. Look, for example, at Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Libya, Iran and many more. I'm quite certain that you don't pretend that the oil rich countries of the middle east aren't swimming in riches, brought about by their oil sales. Don't give me any sop about all the poverty either. India is likewise an extremely rich nation. Their poverty, like the middle east's poverty. exists because of their religious beliefs/system. The rich are rich beyond imagination, and the poor, likewise. So please, don't dribble on about the west causing all their poverty - they do that for themselves far better than we could, and they have done for millennia. The bombs, the poverty and Islam are not necessarily related - at least not in the simplistic way you propose. The terror started decades before the bombs first dropped, and the poverty has been there for millennia.

There are myriad impoverished nations around the world. Name all the non-muslim ones causing global terror - any type of terror for that matter. There must be some out there, but I can't think of any.

You really, really won't like this, but the west became wealthy and civilized because of its religious/beliefs/foundations too - Judeo/Christian! Yes, we're becoming rapidly less and less civilized , but I contend that that's a result of moving rapidly away from those Judeo/Christian roots into the mire of secular moral relativism. That's another topic for another day.

As an aside, now that the Tamil Tigers have been squashed (and I'm not commenting on whether or not I agreed with the way it was done) and the IRA has calmed down, please name me one "terrorist" group that is not Muslim. Don't anyone dribble on me any rubbish about the Yanks being the terrorists.

As for Islam, in reality it's far less a religion than it is a political ideology - an extremely dictatorial ideology. Rather than me reinventing the wheel have a good in depth read of a couple of these sites first, then come back to this post and continue on ....
thereligionofpeace.com/ (particularly the "About Islam" link)
www.jihadwatch.org/
www.memri.org/
www.politicalislam.com/
www.historyofjihad.org/
or even read the Quran for yourself. www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/quran.htm
There are so many resources out there I'm surprised you missed them all.

Back to our poor impoverished uninvited immigrants. Some of them, I am fully convinced are genuine refugees, fleeing massive injustice, horror, war, violence and any other superlatives you can find in that context. BUT, they're running from Islam, (and sharia) because Islam is the cause of the violence and horror etc. In general, they're not running from what the coalition forces are doing there (whether or not you agree with what the coalition forces are doing there is utterly irrelevant in this context). I sincerely wish there was a way to weed them out from the rest, but alas and alac, they all have their papers destroyed. If I was a genuine refugee I'd want some way to prove it!

Many of them are coming here (and every other western nation) for a far more sinister purpose. Have you had a bit of a look at what's happening all over Europe and the UK? Do really think we're immune to all that? Islam has a purpose, and it's setting about that purpose now! "Well, what about the majority of peace loving muslims?" you ask. When I see peace loving muslims marching in the streets in countries all over the world, protesting about the mongrels who have hijacked their peaceful religion I'll believe. Until then, the vast majority of muslims, whilst not actually out there killing people, agree with what their "brothers" are doing - and I'm right! Islam has NOT been hijacked - it's just starting to show its true self. As I asked in an earlier post, "Have none of you heard of the Muslim doctrine Al-Taqiyah? " Google is your friend!

In reality, this subject is far too big for this forum, so I'd suggest that you do a little study and research into Islam and its many facets for yourself. I've given you some good places to begin, and each of those has loads of links to continue. Bear in mind that our mainstream media (msm) tells almost nothing of what's actually happening in the world. That's how so many conspiracy theories seem to be invented I believe. We know we're not being told what's happening, so it's only natural for people to try to fill in the blanks for themselves.

Any'ow, mine isn't superior knowledge - it's common knowledge, to those who do study Islam and it's place in the world today. Oh, and before I forget, kiteboy dave, you're right, but there are categories of illegals too. Some more innocuous than others. Some, many, most arrive here, blend in, work and probably eventually integrate into Oz society/culture. Their progeny may well become upright Oz citizens. The Muslim experience, around the world is exactly the opposite. There have been studies undertaken in Britain revealing that 2nd and 3rd generation muzzies (from immigrant parents) are more radical than their forebears. They don't integrate! In general (though not exclusively I must admit) the Muslim ones are to be avoided - at all cost!

Every time I read through my diatribe I add more bits, so it's time call it it quits now and allow myself to be crucified.

ps I don't necessarily agree with having western armed forces in the middle east.

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